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You should submit daily support tickets and bug reports to Nvidia. There is no reason for them to do this. Their official reason was because "they couldn't test all of the GPU configurations". As if they test every single GPU configuration you could have with just using Nvidia GPUs.

They are doing it just because AMD refused to by a PhysX license and if you fire up an old driver it will work...I think it was 285 and there has been a lot of PhysX improvements since then that you will miss out on.

Are you sure you weren't running PhysX in CPU only mode? Though I've heard that the hybrid physX hasn't work well in a long time.
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Wow you do not deserve any help from anyone with answer like above.I will end what I really want to say.

But I will throw you a bone .
You can delete these files to have your 580 run the game with no slowdowns.
Delete or rename the physxcore.dll, and physxdevice.dll from the steam\steamapps\common\mirrors edge\binaries folder.

 

I did that. Like I said, I followed the guide that you recommended. I did it perfectly, to the letter, being very careful because this is my first time. I didn't know what I was doing, but now it's all very easy to me. All I have to do now is figure out why my PhysX processing is slow. So, it's working, it's just slow.

 

Also, it irritates me that you couldn't keep that comment and your laughing to yourself. I don't need that right now. Clearly. I mean, I'm obviously in no mood due to feeling like I just wasted $490 of my money. How would you feel?

 

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You should submit daily support tickets and bug reports to Nvidia. There is no reason for them to do this. Their official reason was because "they couldn't test all of the GPU configurations". As if they test every single GPU configuration you could have with just using Nvidia GPUs.

They are doing it just because AMD refused to by a PhysX license and if you fire up an old driver it will work...I think it was 285 and there has been a lot of PhysX improvements since then that you will miss out on.

Are you sure you weren't running PhysX in CPU only mode? Though I've heard that the hybrid physX hasn't work well in a long time.

 

Is that version 285.62? That's the version I prefer for my 580 in Windows 7! :)

 

The NVIDIA Control Panel doesn't open because my monitor isn't connected to it. Unfortunately, when I connect my monitor to it and then boot into Windows, I get no display. I get a cursor if I begin moving my mouse, but that's it. If I try to blindly shut down Windows, then nothing happens. It's as if Windows isn't even fully started up. So, all of this means that the only way I can check to see if my 580 is doing the PhysX processing is by looking at the GPU usage history, which I didn't think of until I woke up today. So, I'll be doing that later (I won't have time for at least the next 5 or 6 hours).

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Make sure you record CPU history too before and after. Then you will know if it is running on the CPU. There are actually a few games that you can run physX quite well on the CPU. I am not sure if mirror's edge is one of those games though...I should really get around to playing it. However, the Borderlands 2 game that people will mention actually making good use of the PhysX can be run on the CPU at medium PhysX settings with a decent frame rate...you have to force it by modding config files though and provided you have a decent CPU under the hood.

...and I never remember the point releases on the drivers. Just the first three numbers. I am pretty sure it was 285. If you installed that driver the PhysX should run on the 580 with no hassle other than selecting it to be dedicated to PhysX.

Though if you want to try the hack again, back when I ran a single 580 I found the best driver for me was 306. I ran that for a long time. Then I went SLI and I needed the newer drivers for SLI fixes. 285 is a driver from 2011 so you are missing out on a lot of updates. I don't know if many are important to fermi, but some of the updates to PhysX performance were substantial.
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Make sure you record CPU history too before and after. Then you will know if it is running on the CPU. There are actually a few games that you can run physX quite well on the CPU. I am not sure if mirror's edge is one of those games though...I should really get around to playing it the Borderlands 2 game that people will mention actually making good use of the PhysX can be run on the CPU at medium PhysX settings with a decent frame rate...you have to force it by modding config files though and provided you have a decent CPU under the hood.

 

But the CPU usage will be skewed because the game will be using the CPU a little bit as well. So, the only way that I know for sure is use Afterburner to show me the GPU usage of my GTX 580. :/

 

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...and I never remember the point releases on the drivers. Just the first three numbers. I am pretty sure it was 285. If you installed that driver the PhysX should run on the 580 with no hassle other than selecting it to be dedicated to PhysX.

 

Again, the NVIDIA Control Panel does not open when the monitor is not connected to it. The monitor is connected to the R9 290. So, there is nowhere I can go to change what PhysX is dedicated to. It's not like running on just an NVIDIA card and nothing else; that convenience is gone. This is something that I didn't know about until yesterday.

 

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Though if you want to try the hack again, back when I ran a single 580 I found the best driver for me was 306. I ran that for a long time. Then I went SLI and I needed the newer drivers for SLI fixes. 285 is a driver from 2011 so you are missing out on a lot of updates. I don't know if many are important to fermi, but some of the updates to PhysX performance were substantial.

 

 

But this isn't for a single 580 or two 580s in SLI. This is for an R9 290 with the 580 as PhysX. The guide recommends 320.49 for cards like mine and whatever the latest version of the AMD driver is for the AMD card.

 

I'm in the process of trying it again right now. Here's how I did it the first time:

 

  1. I opened the Programs & Features control panel
  2. I uninstalled PhysX
  3. I uninstalled the NVIDIA Display Driver
  4. I rebooted into Safe Mode (since it's Windows 8.1, I had to use msconfig to select Safe Boot first)
  5. I used Driver Sweeper 3.2.0 to clean up the rest
  6. I shut down
  7. I put the GTX 580 in PCI-E slot #2
  8. I put the R9 290 in the primary slot where the 580 was
  9. I turned the computer on
  10. I ran PreHybrid.exe as an administrator
  11. I installed the AMD driver (CCC 13.12)
  12. Rebooted
  13. I configured the CCC settings to my liking
  14. I installed the NVIDIA driver
  15. Rebooted
  16. I ran Hybridiz.exe as an administrator
  17. I ran Openiz.exe as an administrator
  18. I ran CudaFx64.exe as an administrator
  19. I made the recommended changes to the contents of the Mirror's Edge Binaries folder
  20. I attempted to launch Mirror's Edge, but it complained that it needed NxCooking.dll. So, I put it back where it belongs.
  21. Then, I launched Mirror's Edge and I went directly to the part where you meet Kate in Pope's office, the police come and you run away.
  22. Before getting to the upper levels, the police shoot at you through giant windows and they all shatter and fall to the ground.
  23. The falling glass was painfully slow and it made the framerates in general drop to what felt like 5-10 FPS.

 

THIS TIME I'm going to do things a little differently:

 

  1. Uninstall PhysX
  2. Uninstall Display Driver
  3. Reboot into Safe Mode, use Driver Sweeper
  4. Shut Down
  5. Remove the GTX 580 and set it aside
  6. Put R9 290 in
  7. Turn the computer on
  8. Install AMD CCC 13.12
  9. Reboot
  10. Configure it to my liking
  11. Shut down
  12. Install GTX 580 into second PCI-E slot
  13. Turn the computer on
  14. Run PreHybrid.exe as an administrator
  15. Install NVIDIA driver
  16. Reboot
  17. Run Hybridiz.kexe as an admnistrator
  18. Run Openiz.exe as an administrator
  19. Run CudaFx64.exe as an administrator
  20. Reboot
  21. Try Mirror's Edge

 

So far, I have completed the first 9 steps. All I have to do now is configure the CCC to my liking and continue on with seeing if doing it differently like this is what will make it work.

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When I said dedicate it to physX I meant just opening up the Nvidia Control Panel and setting it. You just do it when you aren't aren't running a game. You set once and forget it.

Though are you saying you can't open the Nvidia Control panel unless you have a monitor on the 580? I don't remember anything like that...though I think when I did the hybrid PhysX I had a monitor plugged into the dedicated PhysX GPU. Actually, I believe I had an issue where it would not operate 2 monitors and be dedicated to PhysX, but I could have one monitor on it with zero issues. When two were connected it would automatically stop being dedicated to PhysX.
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When I said dedicate it to physX I meant just opening up the Nvidia Control Panel and setting it. You just do it when you aren't aren't running a game. You set once and forget it.

 

I know! You're not understanding something. When you have an AMD/ATi card as your primary display adapter and an NVIDIA card as your PhysX processor (and have it set up correctly, which I did), the NVIDIA Control Panel cannot be opened, as I have said multiple times now. The reason for this is stated by the NVIDIA Control Panel launcher itself. It says that it's due to not having a monitor connected to the NVIDIA card. I explained this a few times now.

 

So, again, the NVIDIA Control Panel cannot be opened if your monitor is connected to it. It needs to be the primary display adapter. It needs to be the one that is being used by your monitor. As a dedicated PhysX card, you don't have your monitor connected to it because it's connected to the AMD/ATi card, and so that means the NVIDIA Control Panel cannot be opened. EVER. It doesn't open during the installation of the NVIDIA driver, nor does it open after. It just can't be opened. You only install the driver so that the card can operate as your dedicated PhysX processor. That's it. The programs PreHybrid.exe, Hybridiz.exe and Openiz.exe are SUPPOSED to do everything else, such as making sure the NVIDIA card is being used for PhysX instead of the CPU.

 

I don't know how to make it any clearer than that, so forgive me if you still need it to be clarified but I'm unable to do so. I will still try though because it's important for me to be clear so that I don't leave people hanging. I hate when people leave me hanging and just go, "If you don't understand by now, then forget it". No. I refuse to do that. lol We don't do that rude stuff here in Minnesota. hehe

 

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Though are you saying you can't open the Nvidia Control panel unless you have a monitor on the 580? I don't remember anything like that...though I think when I did the hybrid PhysX I had a monitor plugged into the dedicated PhysX GPU. Actually, I believe I had an issue where it would not operate 2 monitors and be dedicated to PhysX, but I could have one monitor on it with zero issues. When two were connected it would automatically stop being dedicated to PhysX.

 

I only have one monitor, my friend. Also, you do NOT plug your one and only monitor into the dedicated PhysX card. You plug it into the AMD/ATi card.

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You could plug it in temporarily...set the setting...and then plug it into the ATI card...probably need shut downs in between.

Though of course if you can get the hack to work it would be a much better situation.
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You could plug it in temporarily...set the setting...and then plug it into the ATI card...probably need shut downs in between.

Though of course if you can get the hack to work it would be a much better situation.

 

The last time I tried that, I couldn't get into Windows 8.1. It would begin to Start, but the Welcome screen never appeared. It just turned black. If I moved the mouse, then the mouse would appear but that's it. I couldn't shut down no matter what I did, not even with the power button, and I have the power button set to shut down Windows. I couldn't get back into Windows 8.1 no matter what I tried after that. Turning the computer off and plugging the monitor back into the R9 290 didn't work. The only thing that worked was putting the GTX 580 back into the first slot and starting over with this little project - which is where I'm at right now.

 

The reason why I tried connecting my monitor to the GTX 580 (I shut down first) was I wanted to open the NVIDIA CP.

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I buy NVidia cards because I want pain free PhysX. I'd sell your 290 while it still has value and go back to Team Green.
Even if you get this working, the very next time you need to use a newer driver, you will be right back here.

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I buy NVidia cards because I want pain free PhysX. I'd sell your 290 while it still has value and go back to Team Green.
Even if you get this working, the very next time you need to use a newer driver, you will be right back here.

Sorry

 

Oh I thought that I updated this thread.

 

I set up an RMA with Amazon and I told them that the card is "defective" (the exact word that I used), that "it just doesn't work". So, they offered a pre-paid return label. Then I asked if it could be picked up or if it would cost me extra, and the next thing I knew, I had a free pick-up scheduled for me.

 

So, UPS will be picking up my R9 290 for me at some point within the next 3 business days, likely tomorrow being the first attempt. Then when Amazon.com receives it and finishes processing my return, I'll have all $489.99 of my money back. I love it! This didn't cost me a PENNY! lol

 

When I get my money back, I'm going to get a GTX 780 and then call it a day.

 

 

Edit: I didn't exactly lie to Amazon.com. It is defective:

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1481695/short-0-5-to-1-5-green-yellow-horizontal-lines-blinking-all-over-the-place

 

No matter what driver I tried, this wouldn't stop happening. I'm not exactly surprised either because Amazon.com did a POOR job packing the box. They used a box that is a little too big for the card (it's the correct height, but it's too wide and long). They had just ONE of those air bag pillow things in there, and it was on TOP. So, the card was banging around in there during shipping. I'm like, "Um.... sensitive electronics?! Hello?!"


Edited by TwoCables - 4/14/14 at 10:34pm
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