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thanks for the effort you put in and the time you took biggrin.gif

the temps you see in the pic ,70c, is the socket temp not the actual temp of the cpu chip. that temp as you may know depends on a thermal indicator inside the CPU socket which is never accurate unless you buy a super expensive motherboard that manufacturer bothered implementing a good sensor in.
as you can see, the CPU temps on the cores are about 50 degrees under prime95 full FFT. the cooler is capable no doubt.

also in terms of FPS i went from max (110-120 to 160-200) min (60-80 to 100-120) at 4.4ghz.

also the maximum thermal junction is reported to be 90c on the cores.


i'm getting my new mobo tomorrow. i'll report back to see if it was a defective mobo or what.

thanks a lot again.
That is normally where the M5A boards tend to throttle is at 70C. You need a fan on those VRM's and a backside fan there mate to help cool down that socket.
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...And the core temp sensor lacks precision until over about 40 - 45C.

^^^minor correction thumb.gif

A very easy mistake to make. I often have to look up the difference between accuracy and precision as I can never remember which is which. In this case, the correct term is precision, as the core temp reporting is actually very inaccurate.







Falc0nPuls3,

Your experience mimics mine on FPS minimums with overclocking. It's amazing how well some games scale with overclocking and general CPU core performance. My hypothesis as to the reasoning for this is that there are multiple jobs stacked up in a thread all dependent on each-other completing in strict ordering sequences. This only leaves so much headroom for draw calls, which can be "slacked off" to leave enough CPU cycles available to keep up with the real-time sensitive strict-ordered jobs running. Going from just 3.5ghz to 4.5ghz could actually be DOUBLING the available headroom for draw calls to be made, which is why we often see near-doubling of minimum FPS when we performance tune a CPU, even though the clock speeds don't double.

And for the record, I think the GTX650Ti is an awesome GPU wink.gif Good value match for an FX chip.
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Multiplayer game? i run bf4 maxxed out? with 64 player it that not enough? rolleyes.gif

San andreas on 200 + player

Rigs of rods a dual threaded game maxxed out heavy on cpu with 10 20 people ( 15 people while hosting the same server maxed out )


Ok starcraft is one.. but even this game run pretty well..

Wow maxed out no prob

Rift maxxed out no prob..

But anyways im just sharing what i think


btw an i5 is alot cheaper and perform same on singlethreaded dual older or recent game because they cant even use ht well...


Im not against your build... Sorry again



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Multiplayer game? i run bf4 maxxed out? with 64 player it that not enough? rolleyes.gif

San andreas on 200 + player

Rigs of rods a dual threaded game maxxed out heavy on cpu with 10 20 people ( 15 people while hosting the same server maxed out )


Ok starcraft is one.. but even this game run pretty well..

Wow maxed out no prob

Rift maxxed out no prob..

But anyways im just sharing what i think


btw an i5 is alot cheaper and perform same on singlethreaded dual older or recent game because they cant even use ht well...


Im not against your build... Sorry again



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ahahha
alright guys let's chill. no worries mate your build is great thumb.gif and "we" have nothing against that, just more on-topic stuff would be better appreciated.

anyway back to the original topic.
almost all thermal sensors are semi-conductors which as you may already know allow more current when they get hotter or when they hit a P.D. threshold.
we use the thermal feature to measure heat, but this obviously means that we need to go through a calibration process (in fact we made one while back). it's a very cheap method and usually imprecise readings is the result.
the socket Temp reader is not accurate in anyway.

i'm a one of the only two A2 physics student in my Sixth-form. and we do mess around with this stuff quite often. i do programming in c++ and python along with webdesign so i'm not a stranger to the concept.

the reason i opened the thread was to find out if anyone else is experiencing the same thing as fast as possible (without much hassle for myself) so that i can decide whether or not request a replacement, which now have.

and again i understand what you guys are saying. but trust me, there is absolutely no "over-heating" issue here. and to find out how hot you CPU, or whatever else is just purchase an infrared thermometer which is only about £10-15 here in UK and it gives you a very precise reading.

the sensor inside the CPU is only 1 sensor as opposed to the 1 per core of intel which obviously costs more. the AMD sensor is a diode, if you know how diodes work then you'll know why the temps are inaccurate up until a certain degree but past that the temps are as accurate as you can get 'em. *the diode needs to hit a threshold before it lets though any current* check some graphs online.

in fact just by touching the pipes or anything near the CPU e.g. behind the cpu socket you can tell that no way in hell the Temps are any where near 70c.
+ the bottom of the CPU is insulated so that it doesn't pass much of the heat to the socket, instead it spreads across the IHS.

anyway moral of the story the socket temp is possibly "deliberately" calibrated a little off to prevent damage.

i may contact AMD or ASUS to see if they provide me with any documents, not revealing much of their secret stuff but enough to have a good feel for how this baby works. e.g. sensor model
they probably won't but, you never know unless you give it a shot biggrin.gif
Edited by Falc0nPuls3 - 4/6/14 at 3:15pm
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I recall reading an article or technical brief on the BD/PD based opterons (same cores as FX) somewhere about how there's a bunch of these temp sensors all over inside of the chip (on bulldozer/pile-driver). The output from all of them is run through an algorithm that spits out a number. That number is the reported core temp, a precise where it counts reading when applied against the ratings, but highly inaccurate reading nonetheless..


As far as your socket temps go. You may have a poorly calibrated sensor there (or, conservatively calibrated on purpose). However, I don't think you have much reason for an exchange, as it sounds like the board is working correctly to me. A few degrees calibration difference from other typical owners of this board doesn't mean that anything is wrong, just different. You're only like 5C away from max core temps anyway. You'll start bumping into thermally induced stability problems while overclocked in a few more degrees anyway, so there's no reason to exchange the board, just see about trying to cool the socket better IMO.
     
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the thermal limit on the this guy is apparently 90c.
i don't know how you saying i'm only 5c away from the tj max.

there is no other way to cool down anything. everything as cool as it gets to be honest.

at this point might as well just start blowing at the components, myself tonguesmiley.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif



please do bare in mind that asus claims that this board handles a 9590 which a 83xx oc'ed to 5ghz. so there shouldn't be any problems.
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55C reported core temp is about 85C junction temp on an FX-8350.
     
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nope. can't be that way.

otherwise they'll go against their own standards. the stock/fan will hit 60-65
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Trust me, the junction temp, and the reported temp are not even remotely similar. The ACCURACY is off by ~20-30C. I don't know EXACTLY how much it is off by, I doubt anybody does because there is no way to get in there and really find out. A reported temp of 55C is "somewhere around 75-85C junction temps.

Based on the numbers in your first post you are probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 175+W at the chip under peak workloads right now. Why is it so hard for you to believe that you might actually be close to the limits?
     
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