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to each his own.

. I have tested this on 4 different builds. it has no negative impact whatsoever on performance. benchmarks will prove this. I do not stor the actual games on my ssd anyway only programs. I dnt want the app data folder there when the game is on another drive.

Truth. It very much depends on the applications you use, and where they store their data. Playing games, etc. where very little is "written" to the disk and recalled later, you're not likely to see any change at all. On the other hand, the "AppData" content for those same games is typically very little.

There's a lot of crap in there that WILL affect your performance. The AppData folder is a place where applications can store their own temporary/working data sets, and for apps that make big use of it, your'e going to cripple your performance by moving it off to slower HDD storage. The purpose for getting an SSD is speed, after all.

In a few years, it won't matter - everybody will have 2TB SSDs. Until then, storage management is a big deal to some.

Personally, I bought a 840 Pro 512GB SSD over a year ago because I had -already- been through the 80GB, 120GB, and 240GB SSD options over time. I needed more space to work and play, and for me, 240GB wasn't going to cut it. I have no space complaints with the 512GB, but I still keep 300+ GB of crap on my HDD as Drive D, and I keep all of my "scratch" space on the HDD as well to keep write endurance issues to a minimum.

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Benchmarks aren't loading files from AppData.

You could point your whole windows directory to a platter disk. Your windows load time will suck, but the benchmarks will show the same great SSD numbers.

Please don't give advice when you have no idea what you're talking about.

My friend only has a 30gb SSD. this allows him to get SSD speed using his OS only on the SSD. before he done this his SSD was in the RED all the time becuase the appdata folder kept filling up. his computer is a ton faster without his ssd in the red so it does help if space is an issue.

everyone doesnt have huge sized SSD like you.

So please let people that need this use it.
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Truth. It very much depends on the applications you use, and where they store their data. Playing games, etc. where very little is "written" to the disk and recalled later, you're not likely to see any change at all. On the other hand, the "AppData" content for those same games is typically very little.

There's a lot of crap in there that WILL affect your performance. The AppData folder is a place where applications can store their own temporary/working data sets, and for apps that make big use of it, your'e going to cripple your performance by moving it off to slower HDD storage. The purpose for getting an SSD is speed, after all.

In a few years, it won't matter - everybody will have 2TB SSDs. Until then, storage management is a big deal to some.

Personally, I bought a 840 Pro 512GB SSD over a year ago because I had -already- been through the 80GB, 120GB, and 240GB SSD options over time. I needed more space to work and play, and for me, 240GB wasn't going to cut it. I have no space complaints with the 512GB, but I still keep 300+ GB of crap on my HDD as Drive D, and I keep all of my "scratch" space on the HDD as well to keep write endurance issues to a minimum.

Greg


again what if a person only has a small 60gb or 30gb SSD? this will help them.

It would also work to let you off load to a 2nd SSD if you have one.
Edited by Wirerat - 4/6/14 at 4:34pm
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My friend only has a 30gb SSD. this allows him to get SSD speed using his OS only on the SSD. before he done this his SSD was in the RED all the time becuase the appdata folder kept filling up.

everyone doesnt have huge sized SSD like you.

So please let people that need this use it.

Not saying people can't use it, but you're acting like there's no downside to this.

You can cause a huge performance hit to applications by doing this.

Eg. The bitcoin-qt client stores 20GB worth of blockchain files in AppData. When you open the app it has to parse all those files. Shipping those files off to a platter disk will make the app take 10 times longer to start up.

Firefox stores it's cache in AppData. Putting that onto a platter disk will make firefox run slower, which most of the time won't be noticeable, but if you're clearing the cache after using it for a long time, firefox can hang for a VERY long time if you're clearing thousands of files from a platter disk.

You're making an extremely wrong assumption by saying "Your apps are still on your SSD, you won't lose performance."
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what if someone offloads to another SSD ? its very useful tool will very little perfomce hit. even on a platter drive. I cannot tell one difference.
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what if someone offloads to another SSD ? since raiding SSD dnt really add anything.

Sure, offloading to another SSD would work fine.

But if you have another SSD, you might as well just install apps on that and keep all your windows stuff on the main drive.
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Sure, offloading to another SSD would work fine.

But if you have another SSD, you might as well just install apps on that and keep all your windows stuff on the main drive.

OS on SSD with offloaded Appdata to -platter drive is > OS on regular HDD

I want you to try it before you start acting like its going to bog down everyones pc though. you really do not know until you test it.

however I will edit the OP.
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OS on SSD with offloaded Appdata to -platter drive is > OS on regular HDD

I want you to try it before you start acting like its going to bog down everyones pc though. you really do not know until you test it.

however I will edit the OP.

Well, yeah. Having part of your system on a SSD is going to be better then having your whole system on a platter disk.

But sticking AppData onto a platter disk will negatively impact your apps. Some more then others.

But AppData should probably be one of the last things you sacrifice if you need space on your SSD, not the first thing.
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Well, yeah. Having part of your system on a SSD is going to be better then having your whole system on a platter disk.

But sticking AppData onto a platter disk will negatively impact your apps. Some more then others.

But AppData should probably be one of the last things you sacrifice if you need space on your SSD, not the first thing.

listen even if you USE another SSD/HDD the user folder being on another drive is great. I can format and install windows without backing up anything.

When I link the new folder and reinstall apps everything is setup again. all preferences are reloaded.

this negative imact you think it has you are blowing out of proportion. I have two PCs in this room side by side and the one setup this way is performing no different.

Are you going to make me make a video showing windows load or something ?

I agree it is possible to have some impact vrs pure SSD. I just think the APPS this could affect are not common or could be out weighted by needed the SSD space back.


updated OP. I appreciate you guys helping me get this correct.
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My friend only has a 30gb SSD. this allows him to get SSD speed using his OS only on the SSD. before he done this his SSD was in the RED all the time becuase the appdata folder kept filling up. his computer is a ton faster without his ssd in the red so it does help if space is an issue.

everyone doesnt have huge sized SSD like you.

So please let people that need this use it.


again what if a person only has a small 60gb or 30gb SSD? this will help them.

I said nothing about it being a bad choice or plan. If you can't afford a bigger SSD, then by all means this might be a helpful suggestion.

If the system board is relatively recent (last 3-4 years) the system would probably be better served by setting the SSD as a cache by means of Intel RST, ASUS SSD Now, or one of the Marvell-based SSD caching methods. That way, the most recently used content (regardless of which folder it's in) will reside on the SSD, and the HDD will be a single consolidated file system.

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I said nothing about it being a bad choice or plan. If you can't afford a bigger SSD, then by all means this might be a helpful suggestion.

If the system board is relatively recent (last 3-4 years) the system would probably be better served by setting the SSD as a cache by means of Intel RST, ASUS SSD Now, or one of the Marvell-based SSD caching methods. That way, the most recently used content (regardless of which folder it's in) will reside on the SSD, and the HDD will be a single consolidated file system.

Greg

i updated op. let me know if this is a bit more correct now. thumb.gif

I still think fitting the OS on the small drive will boot faster than a cache drive though. I have not ever setup a cache drive though so not sure. I know this setup in the OP is much better than OS on HDD though.
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