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You don't even need a new case.
You can get a Koolance bracket to mount a 360, or 480 at the back of your present case without hacking anything out of it.

If you keep everything stock, a 480 in push/pull with some 800 rpm GT fans will be completely quiet.

Ap-15's will be impossible to find.
But AP-12's (800 rpm), or AP-13 (1150 rpm), or AP-14's (1450 rpm) will be easier to find if you GET THEM NOW.
The 13's and 14's can be put on.a fan controller to get them completely silent.
Edited by PepeLapiu - 4/6/14 at 1:24pm
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post #12 of 190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepeLapiu View Post

120.3 means 3 rad spaces. Either a 360, or a 240 and 120, or 3 120 rads. The more rads you have, the more quiet your rig can be. With a 240, it won't be quiet under load for sure.
My recomnendation still stands. The thickest rads you can fit while preserving room for push/pull will get you the best performance at both low and high speed settings. For best slow speed fans (silent) the Alphacool full copper line will not be beaten.

But with only a 240 rad (120.2) you won't get silence. That rad will need to have fadter fans to keep everything cool under load.
I think I understand now. Thank you. I'm now heavily leaning toward the Alphacool NexXxoS UT60. To keep noise down I'll follow your suggestion and purchase a 120mm for the back of the case and a 240mm for the front.

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Originally Posted by PepeLapiu View Post

They have the best noise/pressure ration. So they are the fans you want at slow speed, silent computing.
Pursuant to the suggestions I've received so far, I'm likely to go with:

http://www.scytheus.com/product/gentle-typhoon-120mm/

Do you think I should I expect much variation in noise between the different models?

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Originally Posted by PepeLapiu View Post

Good pump. But I prefer the pump pn it's own. It's harder to decouple a pump for silence when it's attached to a res.
I went this route for space concerns, and because I thought having it coupled would make my first build go a little more smoothly during installation.

Since we're talking about the pump though, and you mentioned fan / pump controllers. I also had this controller in mind.

http://koolance.com/ctr-cd1224-pump-and-fan-controller-with-display

So I'd like to know how this controller will play with my pump selection. Here's my research:
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Originally Posted by http://koolance.com/pmp-450s-pump-id-13mm-1-2in View Post

The reliable PMP-450S is Koolance's highest-flow pump at 24V. (If pump speed will be externally throttled from 12V or 24V, PMP-450 is recommended for smoother operation.)
Quote:
Originally Posted by http://koolance.com/pmp-450-pump-id-13mm-1-2in View Post

The Koolance PMP-450 is a reliable high-flow pump with built-in speed control knob. It handles external control throttling better than the PMP-450S.
I believe the controller (CTR-CD1224) is an external throttle (just verifying i understand the jargon here), so koolance is suggesting the pmp-450 pump for use in this setup.
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Originally Posted by http://www.xtremerigs.net/2013/08/09/single-d5-pump-tops-roundup/ View Post

The Laing D5 is a popular pump. So popular in fact that you can buy just the basic vario model as the Alphacool VPP655, the AquaComputer D5, the Koolance PMP-450, the Swiftech MCP655 and the XSPC D5 Vario.
This is telling me that that the PMP-450 and the VPP655 are basically the same thing. So it's my belief that the koolance controller will play nicely with the alphacool pump. Do I have this right?

Also, looking at the I/O of this fan / pump controller, I notice that it can control only one pump. You guys have told me that one pump should be enough, but is there any way to attach two pumps to this controller, if I chose to purchase a second pump later on?
Edited by e64462 - 4/6/14 at 2:41pm
post #13 of 190
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Originally Posted by blazed_1 View Post

This is just my opinion but if you just want to make your system quieter you can probably do it much cheaper on air, especially if you don't plan to overclock. A good CPU heat sink, decent fans, a fan controller, maybe some sound dampening material inside the case, and an Accelero for the GPU (assuming they fit your specific card) could work wonders.

If you are set on water cooling though something like this XSPC kit, a GPU block, fan controller, and some Primochill Advanced LRT tubing would probably be more then adequate. Of course a big consideration is what exactly are you using your PC for? If it's just gaming and you're not really pushing the CPU much, you don't really need a lot to keep it cool and quiet.

I guess I wasn't 100% honest, silent computing isn't my only aim, I'd also like to try out water cooling. I've built half a dozen air cooled computers over the years, and I'm looking to try something a little different to see how I like it. I use my computer for gaming, some coding, and media. I don't participate in any distributed computing initiatives though, so as you've pointed out my CPU isn't really getting pushed all that much. I'd still love to get all those tiny little noisy fans out of my case though, and water cooling seems like the best way to do it. I realize it's probably going to be expensive, but I'll analyze the cost / benefit aspect after I have a better idea of what I'm going to spend. So far, with the parts I've chosen, water cooling isn't outside the realm of possibility for me. I also don't think that I've selected cheap parts that won't scale over time. For the most part I'm selecting parts that I believe will keep the door open for things like overclocking or distributed computing projects, so even though it's not my current goal to OC, I believe it's a possibility down the road, with the parts I'm considering.
post #14 of 190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepeLapiu View Post

You don't even need a new case.
You can get a Koolance bracket to mount a 360, or 480 at the back of your present case without hacking anything out of it.
I don't mind purchasing a new case, because I have a lot of complaints about my current one anyway. I recently built a computer for a friend, and the fractal case (R2 XL) I chose for them is insanely quiet; much quieter than mine. I also have a compartmentalized case, which makes working in it very difficult at times.
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Originally Posted by PepeLapiu View Post

If you keep everything stock, a 480 in push/pull with some 800 rpm GT fans will be completely quiet.

Ap-15's will be impossible to find.
But AP-12's (800 rpm), or AP-13 (1150 rpm), or AP-14's (1450 rpm) will be easier to find if you GET THEM NOW.
The 13's and 14's can be put on.a fan controller to get them completely silent.
At least initially, I'll probably avoid push/pull configurations to keep the cost down. If I notice any problems with my temperatures I'll probably buy another round of GT fans.
post #15 of 190
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Originally Posted by e64462 View Post

I guess I wasn't 100% honest, silent computing isn't my only aim, I'd also like to try out water cooling. I've built half a dozen air cooled computers over the years, and I'm looking to try something a little different to see how I like it. I use my computer for gaming, some coding, and media. I don't participate in any distributed computing initiatives though, so as you've pointed out my CPU isn't really getting pushed all that much. I'd still love to get all those tiny little noisy fans out of my case though, and water cooling seems like the best way to do it. I realize it's probably going to be expensive, but I'll analyze the cost / benefit aspect after I have a better idea of what I'm going to spend. So far, with the parts I've chosen, water cooling isn't outside the realm of possibility for me. I also don't think that I've selected cheap parts that won't scale over time. For the most part I'm selecting parts that I believe will keep the door open for things like overclocking or distributed computing projects, so even though it's not my current goal to OC, I believe it's a possibility down the road, with the parts I'm considering.

I did the same thing for my first water cooling build... ended up being incredibly expensive, time consuming, i had about 7 heart attacks when things didn't work....

I dont regret it one bit :-p

It was a great experience, I learned a lot, and and now I just want to WATER COOL EVERYTHING!!!

lol, kinda kidding... kinda nat... :-p but really, it is going to at least 2x the price of air cooling (at least), but will be quieter and cooler. If your watercooling out of a desire to learn/ have a new computer building experience, go for it! If your doing it for the sake of quieter/ better performance, then what you have described as how you use your build, its not worth it.
post #16 of 190
Also, Im too lazy to look through everything and quote where things were said, but for real, if you want a quiet build, get on Amazon.com and pick up 4x Gentile Typhoons RIGHT NOW. with in the past few days the entire internet has sold out of the AP-15s, and Ill assume the AP-14 will be going soon as well... the distributor is dropping them, so once stocks run out, they are gone!

and for a fan controller that can control anything and everything... Lamptron CW611... 36W per channel (can handle 1 Pump per channel, or like 6 fans) and it has 6 channels... automated monitoring and great customer support...
post #17 of 190
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I'll worry about the expense when I have a bottom line to stare at. Like I said, it doesn't seem completely outside the realm of possibility, and since I'm looking to learn something new and there exists potential for a much quieter computing experience, it seems worth getting my feet wet at least (figuratively of course.. literally and I've done something very wrong).

I'm hoping to bypass (oh the puns) those 7 heartattacks by getting some input before I purchase though, so that's why I'm here.
post #18 of 190
The radiators you linked to are not quite as you have described.

The V3 RX series are much improved over the V2.

Martin hasn't tested the V3's yet - so which is better between the Alphacool rads and the RX V3s is currently unknown.

I can tell you that the XSPC radiators have excellent quality control, which is more than can be said of Alphacool.

Also - unless you go push / pull with high static pressure fans at +1500rpm, you will see no real world difference in performance between the top 5 radiators.
post #19 of 190
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Originally Posted by RabidSnail View Post

Also, Im too lazy to look through everything and quote where things were said, but for real, if you want a quiet build, get on Amazon.com and pick up 4x Gentile Typhoons RIGHT NOW. with in the past few days the entire internet has sold out of the AP-15s, and Ill assume the AP-14 will be going soon as well... the distributor is dropping them, so once stocks run out, they are gone!

and for a fan controller that can control anything and everything... Lamptron CW611... 36W per channel (can handle 1 Pump per channel, or like 6 fans) and it has 6 channels... automated monitoring and great customer support...
I like the looks of that fan controller. Something I haven't mentioned though. I don't have windows, I use linux... so any controller that requires userland applications to configure / setup isn't an option, since they never include linux binaries / sources. Is this lamptron pretty self contained in that I won't need any microsoft windows programs to set it up or configure it, it can all be done through the controller itself?
post #20 of 190
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I'm browsing the Lamptron manual, and everything appears to be self contained in the controller itself, no userland applications are required. If I have this wrong, please correct me, otherwise thank you very much for this reference.
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