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Yeah, after looking at the returns and shipping costs at fpu, I'm definitely going to have to find some alternatives. This $20 bottle of additive + $10 shipping coupled with a week long lead time isn't something I'm going to be able to manage every time I need to do maintenance, I can't have my machine out of commission for weeks at a time either while I wait for fpu to RMA defective parts. First thing I need to do is find something other than X1 to use. A local electronics store has other mayhem coolant additives, I think they stocked some x1-t and maybe the mayhem pastel line also.. I'm really not thrilled about color additives, because that probably means replacing stained tubing more often; but this might be more cost effective than having fpu gouge me on shipping cost every couple months. The other thing I'm considering right now is that my loop takes quite a bit of coolant, about 7 cups, which is basically an entire 250 mL bottle of X1... there's got to be some 10L bottle of corrosion inhibitor I can buy at a hardware store that will work just as well... then I can just mix it with a silver coil or something and have a much more financially sustainable biocide and anticorrosive.

the leaky res doesn't seem to be going away either.. which I guess makes this a pretty serious problem. When I decided to get the X1 in the loop and realized how much was going to be required, I started draining some of the distilled water. Once ther ewas enough room I added X1. Unfortunately this meant I had to start purging air bubbles again which I did by varying pump speed and gentle rocking. I noticed that the fill port was dripping again during this process though, so the leak seems like a problem that won't be fixed by just waiting it out. I've decided it's not reasonable to leave the fill port pulled out and exposed (the only position that I've not yet observed any leaking in), since any jostling of the case could cause a pretty serious spill, and potentially damage the port even worse. Since I can't have it closed either.. realistically I'm probably looking at a lengthy return with fpu mad.gif I honestly may just swallow the 20% restocking fee and look for a place to buy a bay res / pump combo in my area so that I'm not subjected to fpu's draconian return policies in the future.
Edited by e64462 - 4/17/14 at 12:13am
post #162 of 190
Any anti-corrosion stuff you put into the soup will be toxic enough to act ss a biocide as well. So if you are worried about corrosion, than don't worry about biocide.
Stuff like silver and pt nuke is mostly for those who don't want corrosion protection.

Ask you local shop if they can carry X1 clear for you, or start to stock it.

Just don't order pre-mix stuff over the net.
You'll need 2 liters for every refill. That's almost 5 lbs just for the coolant versus 1/2 lbs for X1.
Shipping goes up with weight.

Red, purple, and orange, or pink will stain.
Blue, green, and yellow, not so much.

But I won't let you run pink coolant in your loop man. biggrin.gif

If you run additives, you can wait a good 2-3 weeks before adding it.
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I'll keep that blue / green / yellow observation in mind (though my gf would love the pink wink.gif). This cloudiness isn't a huge issue though, is it? If I leave everything as is for the next few weeks, will the clouding cause damage to any of my components, or is it hard to say?

I've spent about as much time on this as I reasonably can right now... like 10 hours a day since the parts arrived 4 days ago. If I need to tear everything down and scrub out the blocks it'll have to wait a while so I can get caught up on some other things. I also need to find a better way to flush components.. like somehow get an adapter for my sink faucet that I can use to connect my components to a steady stream (like martin does).

Anyways, I'm just rambling now... I'm going to just call it for tonight and see what fpu has to say about this in the morning. I guess their answers will determine what I end up doing the next few days.

Thanks again Pepe, you've been a tremendous help the last few days.
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Got off the phone with support, and the guy wants to send me a new o-ring. for the fill port. I'm skeptical I guess, but I'll give it a shot. I guess that means I'm stuck with this res for a while, and so I should maybe address this clouding of my coolant. Do you guys think I need to drain everything, scrub it out, and refill.. or is this clouding not really going to hurt much?
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I can't say for sure if it will damage anything or not but if it were me I would clean it out. When you cleaned everything out did you use distilled vinegar and water to rinse the rads out? That helps get any left over flux out of there. If you didn't, pull the rads out and try that, just don't run vinegar through your loop. Just make sure you rinse them out really well before putting them back in the loop. After that just grab some distilled water (be sure it's distilled and not mineral water) fill the loop and let it run for a couple hours, then drain and repeat a couple times.

Another thing, make sure you're not going to run out of time to return the res while waiting for that o-ring. I think there's a rep for FrozenCPU here on OCN, I don't remember his name but maybe someone else can chime in who does.
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Did the clouding occur only once you added the additive? Or before that?
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I can't say for sure if it will damage anything or not but if it were me I would clean it out. When you cleaned everything out did you use distilled vinegar and water to rinse the rads out? That helps get any left over flux out of there. If you didn't, pull the rads out and try that, just don't run vinegar through your loop. Just make sure you rinse them out really well before putting them back in the loop. After that just grab some distilled water (be sure it's distilled and not mineral water) fill the loop and let it run for a couple hours, then drain and repeat a couple times.

Another thing, make sure you're not going to run out of time to return the res while waiting for that o-ring. I think there's a rep for FrozenCPU here on OCN, I don't remember his name but maybe someone else can chime in who does.

I used just tap water, filled it up.. put the rubber caps in the threaded sockets, and shook it pretty vigorously. Did that 2 or 3 times... didn't really see anything nasty pour out though. I did some googling prior to cleaning though, and this vinegar idea never really came up (or wasn't emphasized and I read over it). Maybe I should've asked for suggestions in here before getting started... x_x

I filled everything with distilled water.. Didn't flush with it after the tap water though.

I'm going to call the fpu guy again in about an hour to talk about the lead time and the possibility of not being able to return the res. Since I'm basically stuck with the pump too, I'm going to ask if modifying the cabling more permanently will void my warranty too.


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Did the clouding occur only once you added the additive? Or before that?
It ran fine with no clouding for about a day and a half, maybe 2 days. Then I added X1 and observed the clouding.
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You are the second one I read who observes clouding after adding X1.

I wouldn't take the rads out just for that.
But if you ever take them out for an other reason, rince them with boiling hot water and wear gloves to hold the rad for your rad dance.
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I'll probably end up draining my loop and using a vinegar solution to clean everything out.. I'll look in to getting a faucet adapter to help flush things too. Do you think it's worth opening up all the blocks and making sure there's no debris caught in the narrow chipset passages too? If you guys have a link to a nice guide on how to break down and clean a loop, I'd be interested in reading it. I did some googling before, but apparently what I found wasn't good enough. I guess I'm looking for what sort of ratios to use, how many times to flush, etc. etc.

I guess before I can drain and refill though I need to find some sort of anti corrosion agent... so I'll start reading up on things I can buy at a hardware store, if there are suggestions (that aren't $18 bottles of Mayhem's), I'd love to hear them. Once things stabilize and I'm on more of a 9 - 12 month schedule of draining / disassembling / cleaning / reassembling I'll look at X1 again, since a $20 bottle once a year isn't so bad. For now though, until I for sure have everything situated I'm probably going to look for a cheaper additive.
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I am also interested in doing a my own custom loop but unfortunatly that wont be for awhile since i already built my own PC a few months ago, but that doesnt stop me from planning for it biggrin.gif

I suggest going with the NZXT H440 it can support radiators:

Front 2 x 140 or 3 x 120mm
Top 2 x 140 or 3 x 120mm
Rear 1 x 140/120mm

It also has sound dampaning walls and also includes dust filters. This may be a deal breaker as it DOES NOT include any drive bays for CDs but who uses those anyway wink.gif

I have also heard that mixing metals in a loop is NOT good so i suggest all copper if possible
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