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General public is as educated as it was in 90's frown.gif
All you think that CRM, ERP is something that has it's data in copy/paste format. You never try to see few steps ahead of you.

I've got a client with ms-dos based customer service software. Around 500 employees. ~20% are those who use it. Latest tender results were $600k to convert it to SQL... Just for reference, server room is worth less than $50k.

P.S. 600K does not cover ongoing support + troubleshooting + training employees, just the initial "creation" and data import/convert.
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post #32 of 89
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Originally Posted by TheLAWNOOB View Post

If you keep using an acient XP rig it'll probably break on it's own.

And for the people who said software compatibility and software support. There's a thing called "Run in XP mode" in advanced settings. Hmm, I'm not quite sure what that does. What ever "XP mode" does, it definately won't help the program to run properly (as if it's running on XP) under Windows 7.

well don't you just have all the answers. well guess what XP mode isn't a true 100% answer. it doesn't "just" work there are still incompatibilities even a XP VMs don't work right, some of these softwares ONLY work with a real installation of XP on REAL hardware.

Infact i was just consulting someone in this very situation but, a few weeks ago. I'm sorry but, you don't know what your talking about the enterprise and commercial worlds are entirely different than the one we know here on OCN. A lesson i embarrassingly learned the hard way my self. Sorry to come off so mean but, things aren't as simple as you paint them out to be or corps would have upgraded ages ago.

EDIT: some words and corrected some spelling.
Edited by cdoublejj - 4/6/14 at 12:24pm
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Microsoft shouldn't have caved in. They gave YEARS of warning that XP support would come to an end. If certain organizations do not wish to or is not capable of upgrading their systems for whatever reasons, then caveat emptor. It shouldn't be MS's responsibility to maintain support for ancient (yes, 10 years is a very long time in IT) software.

While that is all true, if you'd released an OS that some people didn't like and most coulndn't be bothered with would you say no when 2 governments handed you a blank cheque? biggrin.gif
 
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post #34 of 89
so im guessing the last time atm's os was change was for the Y2K rollover bug.
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Originally Posted by TheLAWNOOB View Post

If you keep using an acient XP rig it'll probably break on it's own.

And for the people who said software compatibility and software support. There's a thing called "Run in XP mode" in advanced settings. Hmm, I'm not quite sure what that does. What ever "XP mode" does, it definately won't help the program to run properly (as if it's running on XP) under Windows 7.
I agree on half your statement you can run in XP mode however Windows XP was the last to run 16bit installshields so you can't do everything you would on windows 7 on xp.
However what trunkware do they have that still is 16bit?!

They are wasting tax money but they do that a lot this is just another example of how our goverment and public services are composed of weaklings that live in the past.
post #36 of 89
I'm sure if Microsoft didn't want to offer much support they wouldn't of accepted a price offer that wasn't worth.

My school still have some rigs that I don't see ever being upgraded. Our instrumentation room for instance: you'll see towers with p2's/p3's all running xp or worse. The problem is to upgrade would cost on average 5k just for the instrument's software and another 10k for some proprietary card running on a pci/isa bus. Its not as easy to drop this into a newer machine or even run it off of a vm/compatibility mode. Getting a new instrument costs alot more. So unless you have on average $15k sitting around to upgrade each computer keeping xp seems to be the next best thing. The simple fix in this case was just to keep xp machines off of the server. I guess it will run this way till the instruments get upgraded.

I'm sure other companies could be in a similar exception and perhaps that deal is cheaper than an upgrade today.
post #37 of 89
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Originally Posted by TheLAWNOOB View Post

If you keep using an acient XP rig it'll probably break on it's own.

And for the people who said software compatibility and software support. There's a thing called "Run in XP mode" in advanced settings. Hmm, I'm not quite sure what that does. What ever "XP mode" does, it definately won't help the program to run properly (as if it's running on XP) under Windows 7.

i wouldnt call that easy to do.....we've got plenty of P4s at work that are used for mundane tasks everyday...socket 478 is still very much alive.....although we have put them all on windows 7 (as of last wednesday) lol

yes they are slower...and ive tried to hardware wise break them before...it just wont happen...lol
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i wouldnt call that easy to do.....we've got plenty of P4s at work that are used for mundane tasks everyday...socket 478 is still very much alive.....although we have put them all on windows 7 (as of last wednesday) lol

yes they are slower...and ive tried to hardware wise break them before...it just wont happen...lol

You are running Win 7 on P4? Are we talking about the 2Ghz P4?
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Companies didn't upgrade past XP because XP just worked. It ran all the software (and software only coded for XP) they wanted to run. It ran versions of office that did everything they needed their employees to do. It ran on hardware that was more than fast enough. Companies didn't see the need to waste millions to upgrade all their machines just for a fancy new theme and new features that there employes wont benefit from. Microsoft didn't make it any better when they started to remove features like the start menu. A lot of people don't realize that removing something as fundamental as the start menu is an absolute nightmare for IT personnel everywhere. Imagine a fortune 500 company with 2,000 employees that need to be retrained on how to use their computer.

Same can be said for the consumer market. We really hit an age of "good enough" performance during the mid 2000's. It's the main reason why people are holding onto their computers for so long.
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I am pretty sure the IT dept, calculated it would be cheaper to wait for windows 9 to come out, wait for reviews and implement it afterwords instead of jumping into 7 which is 5 years old.
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