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I am sure there are more organizations that are doing this. MS will do anything if you pay them. I was involved in Windows 3.1 update in the year 2010. My organization paid for the update and only my organization received the update (to my knowledge). So even if these governments are still supported...it doesn't mean the rest of the world is.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 4/7/14 at 9:42am
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i work for the government in an IT field and having witnessed this first hand and all the reasons, it does not surprise me at all that they are holding out longer, probably being forced to.
you have the costs of the OS upgrades, the hardware upgrades.
then you have to make sure the servers are compatible and can talk back and forth.
then you have to move onto the software and other interfaces your particular department may use.
if those need to be recoded, well you also get to pay for that...and most will, especially web apps, we are still using IE8 where i work because of this.
who gets to recode the software or the apps? some contractor that you did not pick, someone in your "central" office did...guess what, this contractor doesnt care about you or your needs because gov requests fall dead last OR they will charge you 10x more than everyone else because you are the government.
now you get to check and see if your systems will interface with the systems of other departments, that run off other outdated standards and use other contractors that also dont care, which means even more money to be thrown around randomly and sporadically.
to top all of this off, everyone in the world is screaming about gov overspending, you have politicians taking budgets away left and right in all of the WRONG places.
this only perpetuates the cycle of backwards tech, OS updating and software compatibility.
IT and security is literally dead last in ALL gov priorities from my experiences.

*sorry for the poor writing of this post, i was kinda rushed.
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i work for the government in an IT field and having witnessed this first hand and all the reasons, it does not surprise me at all that they are holding out longer, probably being forced to.
you have the costs of the OS upgrades, the hardware upgrades.
then you have to make sure the servers are compatible and can talk back and forth.
then you have to move onto the software and other interfaces your particular department may use.
if those need to be recoded, well you also get to pay for that...and most will, especially web apps, we are still using IE8 where i work because of this.
who gets to recode the software or the apps? some contractor that you did not pick, someone in your "central" office did...guess what, this contractor doesnt care about you or your needs because gov requests fall dead last OR they will charge you 10x more than everyone else because you are the government.
now you get to check and see if your systems will interface with the systems of other departments, that run off other outdated standards and use other contractors that also dont care, which means even more money to be thrown around randomly and sporadically.
to top all of this off, everyone in the world is screaming about gov overspending, you have politicians taking budgets away left and right in all of the WRONG places.
this only perpetuates the cycle of backwards tech, OS updating and software compatibility.
IT and security is literally dead last in ALL gov priorities from my experiences.

*sorry for the poor writing of this post, i was kinda rushed.
I completed some win 7 for the government last month and everything went well.
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All public computers in France have been updated to Windows 7. Finally, thanks Microsoft!
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Unless you are in a big cutting-edge tech business! thumb.gif


However, those companies focus is already technology and their management are from technology. Plus they have less legacy systems to support and are architectured to be more flexible.
So how many of those exist... and were they all around 15 years ago to start on XP and recently migrate to (shudder) Windows 8?

There will always be exceptions... and like was said, depending on infrastructure the pain that is felt in upgrading varies.
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When are they cutting support for Vista and 7?
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You win. But I still say it's ridiculous.cheers.gif

There is more to it than I thought. You have educated me on that. I just can't understand why no one plans for this type of thing. That is where I'm stuck. Is there a lot involved yes. But things don't last forever, anyone knows that. Why they wait till the last minute blows my mind. But then I'm ready or present for almost everything IRL at least 30 minutes in advance. I can't grasp the concept of being late, especially with so much advance warning and notice.

I can guarantee you that some of the systems currently running on XP where forced on to XP from Windows NT or maybe even MS-DOS. Now try to get those systems to run on W7 or W8....

Or try to get buy-in for the migration for a ten or thirty technology heads. Get them all to agree on every single aspect of the migration..... and have no upper management supporting you or covering your back. Who wants that job?

Or try testing an application for compatibility.... except that the company who sold it is long gone, no one has any documentation, there is no installer, and it's mission critical. Fun stuff!

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When are they cutting support for Vista and 7?

Windows lifecycle fact sheet
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle
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You win. But I still say it's ridiculous.cheers.gif

There is more to it than I thought. You have educated me on that. I just can't understand why no one plans for this type of thing. That is where I'm stuck. Is there a lot involved yes. But things don't last forever, anyone knows that. Why they wait till the last minute blows my mind. But then I'm ready or present for almost everything IRL at least 30 minutes in advance. I can't grasp the concept of being late, especially with so much advance warning and notice.

I can guarantee you that some of the systems currently running on XP where forced on to XP from Windows NT or maybe even MS-DOS. Now try to get those systems to run on W7 or W8....

Or try to get buy-in for the migration for a ten or thirty technology heads. Get them all to agree on every single aspect of the migration..... and have no upper management supporting you or covering your back. Who wants that job?

Or try testing an application for compatibility.... except that the company who sold it is long gone, no one has any documentation, there is no installer, and it's mission critical. Fun stuff!

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Originally Posted by damric View Post

When are they cutting support for Vista and 7?

Windows lifecycle fact sheet
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

Heh, we have a program like that at work...the "installer" is actually the person getting a specific set of hardware (though we can usually get it to work with anything) and we install an image on it that has the software installed on it already. That's all we got...the company literally disappeared over night about ten years ago, but it is accounting software and I don't think it will go away until the current management in that area retires.

And that image is Windows 2000...
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Are these guys for real? The money they spent to keep XP alive could have rather been spent on just upgrading their systems ANYWAY? Now thay have to pay to keep XP alive and then STILL pay later to upgrade? Sometimes you wonder who rules the top of these companies and governments. Techtards and monkeys!
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Are these guys for real? The money they spent to keep XP alive could have rather been spent on just upgrading their systems ANYWAY? Now thay have to pay to keep XP alive and then STILL pay later to upgrade? Sometimes you wonder who rules the top of these companies and governments. Techtards and monkeys!

I am quite sure they've done cost analysis studies on it and chose the best option available to them. If they keep paying Microsoft they might keep up whatever support they need in XP indefinitely...20 years from now they might still be on XP. Have you looked at the job postings looking for AS/400 programmers? Some of those systems are near on 30 years old yet you will see AS/400 programmers wanted everywhere. They just pay IBM to keep it going...though I hope the ones that are able to have at least upgraded to the POWERx environments.

Plus, it might be surprising what an upgrade might cost...sure for you and me we just buy the new license and install it. A government or corporation must go though extensive testing and retraining...possibly replacing software that they paid millions for with another piece of software that is even more expensive...it is a difficult and expensive thing to do.
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