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Hello all! I have found myself in a cunnundrum, and would like some guidance.

As the title says, I need to build a new PC for my family to replace our old dieing . Keeping in mind it needs to be capable of lasting without my presence to play tech support (for years since I'll be moving out). It will be a general use PC with a lot of word processing media use and I'd imaging some gaming since they will be able to now (and let face it, If I build it I ain't holding back necessarily biggrin.gif ) Photo editing, a dap of video editing (high schoolers you know) greeting cards and work PC

So the prime question of the day is.... Do I go Intel or APU?

These are the suspect of major interest

Intel: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/BlazingGUNZ9/saved/3TRY

AMD: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ReneGade13/saved/4fz7

They could probably use some refinement but that the gist of where I'm headed for this one. tongue.gif
Edited by JakdMan - 4/6/14 at 10:34am
post #2 of 18

Will this computer need to do any 3D processing, such as playing video games? If not, then I would say that a video card is not needed.

 

Also, these power supplies are major overkill and way too expensive. I mean, these proposed builds don't need that big of a PSU or that expensive of a PSU. I mean, this PSU would be plenty for both:

 

450W Rosewill CAPSTONE Modular Cable Version Series for $69.99 with free shipping available

 

Then there's the matter of the motherboard. I don't know about AMD, but for Intel, all a build like this needs is a good H87 motherboard. Z87 boards are for overclocking.

 

After that, case fans: you do not need to replace the stock case fans!

 

Then, there's the CPU cooler: use the stock cooler. I mean, you're not overclocking, right?

 

The memory also doesn't need to be anything special. You could get memory that doesn't have heatspreaders on it.


Edited by TwoCables - 4/6/14 at 1:00pm
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post #3 of 18
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1. There could be some gaming. We played a few games way back when and as things progressed and games outpaced what we had we just game up on that. My siblings will definitely fiddle around with such so I at least want to leave to option open.

2. True the power supply is overkill, but thats the way I do things. tongue.gif

3. H87? I'll give it a gander

4. I could keep the stock case fans. Just an idea I was playing around with. As long as they give enough air flow and aren't too noisy it'll work.

5. Stock cooler? that's just not happening.

6. Yeah the heat spreader is a bit much. Just wanted to avoid 'value ram' (for the sake of it)

Honestly cost isn't an issue here. As mentioned/hinted I would rather give then a crapload of potential power and be able to leave it with them with the headroom to upgrade as time goes on (if I can help it)
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1. There could be some gaming. We played a few games way back when and as things progressed and games outpaced what we had we just game up on that. My siblings will definitely fiddle around with such so I at least want to leave to option open.

2. True the power supply is overkill, but thats the way I do things. tongue.gif

3. H87? I'll give it a gander

4. I could keep the stock case fans. Just an idea I was playing around with. As long as they give enough air flow and aren't too noisy it'll work.

5. Stock cooler? that's just not happening.

6. Yeah the heat spreader is a bit much. Just wanted to avoid 'value ram' (for the sake of it)

Honestly cost isn't an issue here. As mentioned/hinted I would rather give then a crapload of potential power and be able to leave it with them with the headroom to upgrade as time goes on (if I can help it)

 

So, you're willing to spend $76.99 more than you need to on the PSU? That's quite an unnecessary waste of money. The 450-M is still overkill, both on capacity and quality.

 

With no overclock on the CPU and a single weak video card, stock case fans are more than good enough.

 

Dude; the stock CPU cooler will mean that you won't have to throw away $90. Aftermarket coolers are for overclocking. So, spending $76.99 and $89.99 less means that you'd be spending $166.98 less. Then, subtract even more by not getting all of those case fans and then it comes to $289.22 in your pocket. Then, subtract even more for getting more appropriate memory and you could be looking at spending over $300 less. Think about it: what could you do with that money? What could you spend it on? I mean, that's over $300 that would be totally wasted.

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post #5 of 18
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Looking at the H87 mobo's, I'm giving up eSATA and the second USB 3.0 header (not that those were abundant in the first place)
It could work of I went intel, leaving little room for expansion considering I'd have to add in a PCI eSATA, firewire and possibly another USB 3.0 controller (though that one is dependant on the card reader I choose)

decisions, decisions........

I suppose more money in the pocket is always a good thing.
post #6 of 18

To me, $300 or more is a huge chunk of change... I mean, I'm not even factoring in spending less on the motherboard.

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post #7 of 18
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Well It certainly makes a difference price wise:

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/BlazingGUNZ9/saved/3TRY

The mobo's gonna take some serious convincing though. I would rather those feature/ ports be on board rather than resorting to add-in cards
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Well It certainly makes a difference price wise:

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/BlazingGUNZ9/saved/3TRY

The mobo's gonna take some serious convincing though. I would rather those feature/ ports be on board rather than resorting to add-in cards

 

No, Rosewill 450-M. lol It's $10 cheaper and again, it's still overkill. Don't you trust me?

 

$135 for memory is extreme overkill for this build. Extreme! Who's going to benefit from this memory?

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post #9 of 18
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Well If I drop it to just 8gigs of ram...... but as I said there will be some video and photo editing, and honestly that's as cheap as I've seen in the 16gigs at 1600 range (without lowering to 1333, raising CAS latency, and that price difference isn't worth it in my eyes) true this is a general purpose machine but I'm still building it. I'm only willing to go so close to the bear minimum before this gets silly.
post #10 of 18

Ok, fair enough, but the 450-M isn't close to the bare minimum.

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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
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Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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