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this thread has existed before, consensus is the 1100T cost more money for a reason it still have better single threaded performance REGARDLESS of benchmarks.

^this and just let go aleady. hardly any thubans are in the market anyways, so let go. ignore is what i am saying.
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^this and just let go aleady. hardly any thubans are in the market anyways, so let go. ignore is what i am saying.

is everyone hoarding them now?
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is everyone hoarding them now?

maybe. i may let go of my i7 but not my 960T. i don't know why.
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Thuban was never a very high-volume family anyway. Most people found that Deneb's 4 cores were sufficient for consumer use, and most of the better-quality dies went to high end Lisbon's or, in some cases, Magny-Cours Opterons. With Thuban being AMD's highest-end consumer grade chip family and approaching 4 years old, the supply is shrinking.

This combined with the fact that some people (mistakenly or not is irrelevant) believe that the old X6's are faster than the newer Piledriver chips means that demand remains high for them.

Contracting supply + constant/increasing demand = higher prices.
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The high price of thuban in todays used market, is evidence that there really is no reason whatsoever to build or buy a machine with a CPU upgrade in mind at the time of the original purchase. The CPU makers have smartened up and effectively defeated the ability to buy a CPU at a later date for a lower price. Buying into a "socket" is now pointless on an even greater level than ever before. Intel is all but price locked on old stocks and both AMD and Intel have learned that they are self defeating when their old stocks are competing with their new products at really low prices, so they (especially Intel) keep the production tight and prices fixed as best they can. (Very smart business strategy for this market actually, and AMD should actually be grateful that Intel does their price fixing on old stocks, as it prevents AMD from having to compete with cheap previous generation Intel CPUs).

The same thing happens with GPUs as stock starts to dry up on SLI/CFX worthy models from prior generations. People wind up paying MORE for the CPU/GPU after they have been discontinued than they sold for towards the end of their production.


How many people sitting on a $200 AM2/AM3 board out there clamoring for a way to rationalize their "planned upgrade paths" and effectively forcing themselves to go with an older less efficient cpu with less capabilities because they can't rationalize ditching the upgrade plans for their old expensive board?
Edited by mdocod - 4/8/14 at 7:39am
     
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Both CPU's are good. It's no use pulling your hair off thinking which is better. Both are equally good, one maybe better in handling a certain task while the other is good at another task. Sometime before I too probed at this but it really wasn't worth it. Rdr09 may remember me tongue.gif
Don't know if this represents multi-threaded workloads. Did a Winrar benchmark for kicks at 4.4Ghz.

Any good smile.gif ?
Edited by jason387 - 4/8/14 at 7:56am
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so the phenom x6 is the better chip? even though its pretty old?

whats the point of people buying the fx6300 over the phenom x6 then?
The Phenom II X6 is a better chip on that benchmark. It will win its share against an FX-6300, even overclocked. Some benchmarks put a heavy load on the floating-point units of a CPU, and the Thuban has six of those, while the FX has just three due to the module architecture.

However, the FX has newer instructions, and its overall IPC is close enough to the Thuban's that it will win more than it loses. You wouldn't want an 1100T at 4 GHz over a 6300 at 4.9 unless you were working on very specific workloads that like the 1100T better.

That said, if you have an 1100T that runs at a stable 4 GHz, there's really no reason to upgrade to an FX unless you just want to, and if you do, get an 83x0, not a 6300. The 1100T at 4 GHz can still pack a punch.
     
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post #38 of 39
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How many people sitting on a $200 AM2/AM3 board out there clamoring for a way to rationalize their "planned upgrade paths" and effectively forcing themselves to go with an older less efficient cpu with less capabilities because they can't rationalize ditching the upgrade plans for their old expensive board?

Guilty as charged. You can get an 8320 for the same price as most used Thubans. It isn't only Thuban holding its retail value, either: Go shopping for a C3 Deneb or something and witness the high prices. I see some Sempron 140/145 chips selling for the 80-100% of their retail launch value. There are bargains to be had here and there, but the market clearly is not saturated with old AM3 chips going for a pittance. AM2 x2s(k8), however, are now dirt cheap.

edit: regarding the main topic of this thread, I think it pertinent to note that Thuban (and K10 chips in general) is closer to being a "traditional" x86 processor than is Piledriver (and by "traditional", I mean, "closer to Intel designs"). Depending on how you look at it, K10/K10.5 has architectural similarities to K8, which in turn has similarities to its venerable K7 ancestors. Much changed from K7 -> k10.5, but enough stayed the same that you can see predictable improvements in legacy code performance when moving from Thunderbird to Deneb/Zosma/Thuban, for example.

Besides, K7 and K8 did much of their damage running code that was, more often than not, optimized for Intel plaftorms. Bulldozer et al. was never really meant to beat Intel at its own game.
Edited by drmrlordx - 4/10/14 at 10:29am
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