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Thanks guys. I ended up going with the modular version of that capstone 450w and getting a corsair h60 aio cooler and keeping everything else the same.

Also went with the i5 4670k for 189 on amazon.

He was looking at a $1200 dollar aio pc but hes pretty stomed to build one now. We live in canada but right next to the border so we save a ton by shipping to our mailbox in the states.

This is such overkill for him but this is also ocn.
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If you go with an i3 and Intel HD graphics (my suggestion!) you can run the whole thing off of a Seasonic G-360 PSU which is a rock solid unit. My wife's workstation has just that configuration and she can multi-task without problem (8 GB RAM). If a DVD drive is not needed build it in a Fractal Designs Node 304 case (you can always add a USB DVD drive if needed). Again the rule of thumb should be build for the intended use; don't overbuild.
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Again the rule of thumb should be build for the intended use; don't overbuild.

I agree with this.

I just find it funny how after you said this
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No real budget but more than willing to save some money where we can.

you end up getting

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capstone 450w and getting a corsair h60 aio cooler
Also went with the i5 4670k

and with the after market cooler and K series CPU, safe to assume u got the z87 also.

For a pc thats used for
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He does internet for real estate and some photos and youtube and such. I would say this setup is as bit overkill for what he needs but he can write it off. Would it be at all beneficial to throw in a cheap video card?.

now become a machine thats even stronger than my gaming PC on the processor side. and more expensive than my whole rig.


but well, its ur money, so go have fun i guess
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The HD4600 on haswell is actually better suited to traditional desktop use than MANY discrete GPUs as it offers plenty of shader/mapping/ROP performance to get over the hump of accelerated interactive functions in the OS/Apps, but more importantly, it has one of the most sophisticated fixed function video decoders/encoders you'll get on any GPU (discrete or iGPU). Better than Kaveri even!! The recommendations I see above about a discrete AMD GPU (like the 260X), would be a DOWNGRADE in many ways for a non-gaming machine.

The cost of most of the components of a machine are pretty static fixed minimums. There's only a few areas where price really scales for a machine like this and that is CPU, RAM, and Storage. The rest of the machine is going to cost about the same whether it has an i3 or an i7. When we actually look at the difference in cost to go with an i5 or i7 as it effects the entire machine, it's often only 10-15% more to go with a flagship CPU instead of an entry class CPU. It may not be needed now, but it will be the primary determining factor for when the machine hits retirement. Look back 3-4 years for evidence: People who bought Nahalem based i7's are in great shape to continue using them for several more years, even in heavy modern workloads, whereas, people who bought i3-530's around that same time, are probably already evaluating upgrade/replacement options.


Solono,

I think you snagged a great deal with the $190 i5. Probably added 1-3 years to the life of the machine with just $70 over the price of the i3. That's probably less than 10% of the total build cost eh? Nice. I also agree with the selection of the ASRock Z87E-ITX. Decent quality ITX boards don't start till around $100 anyway, so you're often just as well off or better to just pay the extra $20-40 for one with wifi and great VRMs and be done with it. The main reason for building rather than buying is to take advantage of the increased quality that building offers. The ASRock Z87E-ITX is a representation of the sort of quality that you won't get in a pre-made and that right there is IMO good enough reason to go for it.

I must advise against the Seidon 120V. Great performer for a 200W OCed chip, but OMG the pump on this thing is getting noisier by the day. Starting to really annoy me. It's CHEAP for a reason!!! I hope the H60 works better for you. I would not have used an AOICLC for a friend/family build but too late now...

I would have recommend the AXP-100 for aftermarket cooling. It will fit in the case with room to spare and eliminates the increased risks of liquid cooling. Furthermore, most liquid coolers will require 2 fan headers, whereas a traditional will only require 1, which is better for an ITX rig where fan headers are almost always in short supply. The AXP-100 would also perform better passively if the fan were to fail, whereas a liquid loop with a failed pump won't.
     
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Personally, I think you'r going about this build all wrong. If this is office use / web browser like I'm assuming from what you posted, then this is what I'm thinking here.

$140 for a i3, may as well purchase a dual core APU for $80 cheaper.
8GB of ram and 5GB of it will never be used.
500W PSU that will never see a 150W load.
AIO that will probably fail long before the stock cooler.
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That EVGA PSU the OP picked is not very good even the Corsair CX430 is better
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Saving 10% on the cost of the machine and getting less than half the compute performance doesn't make sense. Within the "consumer class" hardware like the 1150 and FM2 socket platforms, spending more on the CPU gives the entire machine better long term value. Same goes for the RAM. The availability of DDR3 is good right now, when the machine needs that 8GB later on because of software growth it will be much harder to source DDR3 for a reasonable price. Legacy hardware prices are often HIGHer than when the hardware is still in production. Buying it now makes more sense than saving $30. Saving that $30 now could just wind up costing $70 later.

I used to get caught up in the same thought processes about minimizing everything to save money. I realize now that such an approach is generally pretty pointless for a new machine build. If you're looking at building with an A4 with 4GB RAM, then you may as well just get on craigslist and look for a used Core2 era machine and buy that instead at half the price or less. If the budget is really so sensitive that someone is entertaining the idea of using a "new" CPU that performs like stuff from 4+ years ago, then they probably shouldn't be buying new in the first place.
     
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I have definitely went back on what we had originally planned but since then hes been consumed and wants to oc the chip and what not. Getting into pcs can have that snowball effect which im sure we all can relate to. A $900 dollar build wich is about what I spent on wc gear. Not many of us actually "need" this stuff. I just wanted to overvolt my gpu and have my i5 running at 5ghz. Again something a lot of us can relate to. Especially when it comes to the ever pricey aesthetics.

We dont like wasting money but now that hes getting more interested in this he doesnt see it that way. If it was the mom on the other hand I realize I could do it for a few hundred.

Anyways appreciate all the feedback. +rep
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Saving 10% on the cost of the machine and getting less than half the compute performance doesn't make sense. Within the "consumer class" hardware like the 1150 and FM2 socket platforms, spending more on the CPU gives the entire machine better long term value. Same goes for the RAM. The availability of DDR3 is good right now, when the machine needs that 8GB later on because of software growth it will be much harder to source DDR3 for a reasonable price. Legacy hardware prices are often HIGHer than when the hardware is still in production. Buying it now makes more sense than saving $30. Saving that $30 now could just wind up costing $70 later.

I used to get caught up in the same thought processes about minimizing everything to save money. I realize now that such an approach is generally pretty pointless for a new machine build. If you're looking at building with an A4 with 4GB RAM, then you may as well just get on craigslist and look for a used Core2 era machine and buy that instead at half the price or less. If the budget is really so sensitive that someone is entertaining the idea of using a "new" CPU that performs like stuff from 4+ years ago, then they probably shouldn't be buying new in the first place.

I agree with your statement I highlighted in bold. Any used office computer made in the last 4 years with an SSD thrown into it with Win7 is going to have the same performance in web browsing and viewing photos as my sig rig.
But spending more money in hopes for long term value doesn't really mean anything when reselling an office / basic home computer from my experience in selling PCs. I mean, if someone is looking for an office computer they look at the type of OS and how many USB slots it has on the front panel for their devices and really have no idea about CPUs or care for that matter. True they ask how much ram it has, but I tell them how much it has and that it will be plenty for their needs. When will web browsing and YouTube take advantage of 8GB of ram? Pretty sure you would need a couple hundred open tabs on chrome.

The post asked for any advice on the build and this is my opinions on it, you could save money and basically get the same performance for the indended use. The only thing that is going to make a difference in speed for web browsing or viewing photos is the SSD not excessive amounts of ram, a water cooler, 500W PSU, or a $140 dual-core.
Edited by Shaded War - 4/8/14 at 3:26pm
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Saving 10% on the cost of the machine and getting less than half the compute performance doesn't make sense. Within the "consumer class" hardware like the 1150 and FM2 socket platforms, spending more on the CPU gives the entire machine better long term value. Same goes for the RAM. The availability of DDR3 is good right now, when the machine needs that 8GB later on because of software growth it will be much harder to source DDR3 for a reasonable price. Legacy hardware prices are often HIGHer than when the hardware is still in production. Buying it now makes more sense than saving $30. Saving that $30 now could just wind up costing $70 later.

I used to get caught up in the same thought processes about minimizing everything to save money. I realize now that such an approach is generally pretty pointless for a new machine build. If you're looking at building with an A4 with 4GB RAM, then you may as well just get on craigslist and look for a used Core2 era machine and buy that instead at half the price or less. If the budget is really so sensitive that someone is entertaining the idea of using a "new" CPU that performs like stuff from 4+ years ago, then they probably shouldn't be buying new in the first place.

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/IMKR/saved/4jip
Adding some sort of SSD for $150 or less

he could be perfectly fine with a build like this. thats more than a 10% save
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We dont like wasting money but now that hes getting more interested in this he doesnt see it that way.
Anyways appreciate all the feedback. +rep

however, if you like to tinker with your pc, ur build will make sense.
Edited by IMKR - 4/8/14 at 3:57pm
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