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Originally Posted by Solonowarion View Post

I have definitely went back on what we had originally planned but since then hes been consumed and wants to oc the chip and what not. Getting into pcs can have that snowball effect which im sure we all can relate to. A $900 dollar build wich is about what I spent on wc gear. Not many of us actually "need" this stuff. I just wanted to overvolt my gpu and have my i5 running at 5ghz. Again something a lot of us can relate to. Especially when it comes to the ever pricey aesthetics.

We dont like wasting money but now that hes getting more interested in this he doesnt see it that way. If it was the mom on the other hand I realize I could do it for a few hundred.

Anyways appreciate all the feedback. +rep

Okay, this post wasn't loaded yet when I made my previous post so you can ignore it now that I see your current intentions.

If your goal is an overclocking experiment and learning something I would advise AMD FX CPU. I find it more of a learning experience than Intel. There is allot more variables involved in AMD and can make it a overall more enjoyable OC session having ability to mess with bus speeds and north bridge frequency with less danger to the system compared to Intel. Touch the bus speed on intel and you'r prone to killing GPUs, RAM, basically anything in PCI slots. There is allot of things you just won't learn on an Intel system because they don't exist or are very sensitive to change.

I had tons more fun overclocking my old AMD system than this Intel rig with water cooler, 2400mhz memory, premium motherboard ect...

In the end I came up with some massive overclocks which were 100% stable and I used it for 2 years at these settings.
44% overclock on my 1333 RAM with lower timings than 1600mhz memory at that time.
20% CPU overclock
56% overclock on North bridge.

Here is some old screenshot I found from overclocking experiments on my old AMD system. To my knowledge, I have the fastest Wprime 32M test on any consumer AMD CPU with air cooling after a few overclocking sessions. It takes a i7-3770k at 4.8Ghz to match my result according to this site.
post #22 of 23
this is the workstation I built for my wife last year:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3owpq
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3owpq/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3owpq/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-3225 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Elite 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($85.50 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($130.69 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital WD Blue 1TB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 360W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($61.99 @ Mwave)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VE228H 21.5" Monitor ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($14.99 @ B&H)
Total: $898.09
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-08 20:55 EDT-0400)

She's a university professor and runs MSFT Office applications and uses the Internet for a variety of purposes. It works fine for every single need she has. She really likes having the OS on an SSD as her last machine was a HP Inspiron running Vista - talk about a slow boot! She doesn't need to go up to an i5.
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Intel i7-4790k  ASUS Sabertooth Z97 Mark 2 ASUS GTX 960 2GB STRIX 16GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical DDR3 1600 
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256 GB Samsung 850 PRO WD 2TB Caviar Black Noctua NH U12S Win8.1 
MonitorPowerCase
NEC MultiSynch P221W SeaSonic G 650 Fractal Design Define R5 
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Intel i3-3225 Gigabyte H77N-WiFi 4GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical DDR3 1600 120 GB Samsung EVO 840 
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Intel i7-4790k  ASUS Sabertooth Z97 Mark 2 ASUS GTX 960 2GB STRIX 16GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
256 GB Samsung 850 PRO WD 2TB Caviar Black Noctua NH U12S Win8.1 
MonitorPowerCase
NEC MultiSynch P221W SeaSonic G 650 Fractal Design Define R5 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel i3-3225 Gigabyte H77N-WiFi 4GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical DDR3 1600 120 GB Samsung EVO 840 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
500GB WD Blue LG Blue Ray DVD Reader Noctua NH-L9i Win7 
KeyboardPowerCase
Logitech K-400 Seasonic G360 Lian Li PC Q-27B 
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I agree with your statement I highlighted in bold. Any used office computer made in the last 4 years with an SSD thrown into it with Win7 is going to have the same performance in web browsing and viewing photos as my sig rig.

Web page rendering speed is very noticeably different between older and newer hardware. Going from a a propus @3.3ghz to this FX @5ghz I notice significant improvements in page render speeds. Long WIki pages used to take 3-4 seconds to render, now that only take about 2 seconds, your i7 would do it in like 1 second. Humans do indeed notice the difference between 1 and 4 seconds. Add up those seconds when doing researching and jumping around from dozens of open tabs and such, and they add up. Even total novices notice performance differences with faster CPUs and the addition of SSDs to machines.
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But spending more money in hopes for long term value doesn't really mean anything when reselling an office / basic home computer from my experience in selling PCs. I mean, if someone is looking for an office computer they look at the type of OS and how many USB slots it has on the front panel for their devices and really have no idea about CPUs or care for that matter. True they ask how much ram it has, but I tell them how much it has and that it will be plenty for their needs.

The value I intended to convey, is "average user experience over what period of time." Spending 10% more on a machine to cut the page render time of every web page loaded over the course of 6-8 years of use in half, and actually being able to continue using the machine that long because it starts off strong, has VALUE. At that point it's not about how much it can be resold for. How much good use till retirement? The A4 will be a dog choking on web sites in a few years. I have seen it happen with every weak CPU I have ever owned. They only last so many years and the internet starts to peg em. 4 years is usually about the limit.
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When will web browsing and YouTube take advantage of 8GB of ram? Pretty sure you would need a couple hundred open tabs on chrome.

Only takes a few dozen tabs. I've run 4GB right to the rafters just doing web research with a few dozen tabs on many occasions. Chrome tabs each run their own thread, and can be 40-200+MB each.
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The post asked for any advice on the build and this is my opinions on it, you could save money and basically get the same performance for the indended use. The only thing that is going to make a difference in speed for web browsing or viewing photos is the SSD not excessive amounts of ram, a water cooler, 500W PSU, or a $140 dual-core.

Opening high resolution JPGs shot with a typical consumer camera is CPU intensive. The speed that they can be viewed and loaded is limited by the CPU, not the disk. Even a mechanical HD can read dozens of high rez JPGs per second. The CPU can take several seconds per picture to decompress. CPU performance matters here especially when regular cameras are taking 10-20+MP photos.
     
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FX-8350 990X EVO R2.0 Sparkle GTX460 768MB ballistix tactical 2 x 8GB 
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Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
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Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
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FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
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Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Sticky ATNG Rosewill Green 630W NZXT Gamma Basic Microsoft corded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG IPS224V-PN Logitec K360 FSP 400W Aurum S 80+ gold Prodigy 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 990X EVO R2.0 Sparkle GTX460 768MB ballistix tactical 2 x 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Toshiiba THNSNH 256GB Enterprise RE3 1TB Asus BD combo drive Artic A30 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
PowerCase
Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Sticky ATNG Rosewill Green 630W NZXT Gamma Basic Microsoft corded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG IPS224V-PN Logitec K360 FSP 400W Aurum S 80+ gold Prodigy 
Mouse
logitec M235 
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