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Oh they did. Cool biggrin.gif

I do? Heh.

 

Yeah, because the Gadgets Platform doesn't exist in 8 or 8.1. Hell, it even no longer exists in Windows 7 after a certain update (but there's a fix for that in Windows 7).

 

Anyway, yeah, you can reply much faster than anyone else on here.

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Yeah, because the Gadgets Platform doesn't exist in 8 or 8.1. Hell, it even no longer exists in Windows 7 after a certain update (but there's a fix for that in Windows 7).

Anyway, yeah, you can reply much faster than anyone else on here.

It doesn't exist because its a security hole and Microsoft decided they couldn't be bothered fixing it lol. I really think that link is just an installer for the original platform, security holes and all. But anyway. tongue.gif

... so can you LOL.
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It doesn't exist because its a security hole and Microsoft decided they couldn't be bothered fixing it lol. I really think that link is just an installer for the original platform, security holes and all. But anyway. tongue.gif

... so can you LOL.

 

Has anyone proven that these security holes really exist? If so, then does anyone know who's at risk and what's at risk?

 

(Oh, and I don't think it's the original platform. The clock I always use looks slightly different - it's extremely subtle, but I see a difference)

 

 

 

EDIT: Oh wait. No, the clock has no differences.


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Yes Microsoft have confirmed the vulnerabilities exist in various gadgets that allow remote code execution. Additionally a user can be tricked into installing a gadget that was designed with malicious intent to exploit the vulnerabilities.

The sidebar runs in the context of the user that is logged on so damage is limited normally, however if you disable UAC or use the inbuilt Administrator account then an exploit could allow an attacker to compromise the entire system.
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Yes Microsoft have confirmed the vulnerabilities exist in various gadgets that allow remote code execution. Additionally a user can be tricked into installing a gadget that was designed with malicious intent to exploit the vulnerabilities.

The sidebar runs in the context of the user that is logged on so damage is limited normally, however if you disable UAC or use the inbuilt Administrator account then an exploit could allow an attacker to compromise the entire system.

 

I'd like to see proof. I haven't had any problems.

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I'd like to see proof. I haven't had any problems.

Proof of what? Its the same with any security vulnerability. You don't have any "problems" until something on your system exploits them. Microsoft intentionally don't publish what the actual vulnerabilities are, its just under the "remote code execution" umbrella.

This is one of the cases where a vulnerability was detected without it being exploited en masse first, hence they just dropped the entire feature and advised users to install the updates that remove it because they were focusing development on the new features of Windows 8, rather than patch the vulnerabilities.
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Proof of what? Its the same with any security vulnerability. You don't have any "problems" until something on your system exploits them. Microsoft intentionally don't publish what the actual vulnerabilities are, its just under the "remote code execution" umbrella.

This is one of the cases where a vulnerability was detected without it being exploited en masse first, hence they just dropped the entire feature and advised users to install the updates that remove it because they were focusing development on the new features of Windows 8, rather than patch the vulnerabilities.

 

Well, this appears to be a truly third-party app. Clicking "Get more gadgets online" brings me here:

 

http://gadgetsrevived.com/

 

I believe what others have said that removing the Gadgets Platform was not due to security holes, but it was in order to focus development on Windows 8 and promote the Start apps (or Metro apps). The Gadgets platform encourages people to use the Desktop. See?

 

Either way, I'm not worried about it. I'm still using the real Gadgets Platform in Windows 7.

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A security bulletin was published. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/advisory/2719662

I don't think Microsoft are going to publish one of those for no reason. They chose not to fix the vulnerabilities because of the upcoming Windows 8 features and focus. If whatever crap you believe is right then why would they remove it from Windows 7 also? To get people to buy Windows 8? Lol. I don't think so. The security holes definitely exist, its not a fake.

But if this third party project is truly from the ground up then that's great smile.gif
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A security bulletin was published. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/advisory/2719662

I don't think Microsoft are going to publish one of those for no reason.

 

I know! However, do you honestly trust Microsoft that much? Do you really believe everything that they tell the public?

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I know! However, do you honestly trust Microsoft that much? Do you really believe everything that they tell the public?

When it comes to security, yes. If they are saying themselves that one of their own products is vulnerable then I will damn well believe them, and I will damn well install the updates to remove the the vulnerability.

The cost of not trusting them and NOT following their recommended action is FAR greater (i.e. Microsoft are right, and my machines get hosed because apparently I know more than the security team at Microsoft who developed the product) than the cost of losing this feature (think enterprise), even if they made up the "vulnerabilities" (which they didn't

I mean, its pretty simple:

1. Microsoft are telling the truth and I believe them. If I remove the platform, I fix the vulnerability and I lose some feature I can replace with anything else, like Rainmeter.
2. Microsoft are telling the truth, but I don't believe them. If I DON'T remove the platform, I leave my machines exposed to being hosed.
3. Microsoft are lying, but I don't know this. If I remove the platform, I lose some feature under the premise that it is flawed. I can replace with anything else, like Rainmeter.
4. Microsoft are lying, and I know this. If I DON'T remove the platform, nothing happens and I keep some feature that I can replace with anything else, like Rainmeter.

See how #2 is pretty risky? Especially for the enterprise.

But this is all pretty moot now if you're sure that the replacement is a ground up third party platform (you know, as long as it doesn't have any security flaws itself lol).
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