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Hey guys,

I posted similar questions in another thread, but thought that it would be better to start my own thread on what Mouse and Mouse Pad to choose.

For the Mouse, as of right now, I'm looking at both of the new Mionix mice - NAOS 7000 and Avior 7000.

I'm currently using a Logitech G5 V2 (I have been using it since 2008 and I want to try something different) and I'm not a huge fan of the shape (same shape as the G400?). I'm using both palm grip and fingertip grip with this mouse. Although having said that, not sure if the fingertip grip is because of the shape of the Logitech G5 making me use that grip style.

One good thing I will say about the G5 is - it seems to be pretty darn durable as it's still working OK and I haven't tried anything else because it's still held up quite well over the years I've had it. I even bought an MX518 around the time as a backup spare mouse that is still unopened brand new in the box wink.gif. I've been thinking about getting it out of storage and trying it out since it has an optical sensor, but I figure that it would be too dated by now, and like I mentioned previously, I'm not a huge fan of the shape.

My previous mouse before the G5 was a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 1.0 (not 100% sure, but I think it's a 1.0) and I found the shape of that to be much better. Now that I have said this, do you guys think that I should be looking at a different brand mouse altogether, or is there something that is due out that I might like better?

If I go with Mionix, I was leaning towards the NAOS as I think it would be more comfortable, but I've read a few people mention that the full palm grip shape isn't great for serious FPS gaming, mentioning that it's not so easy to pick up and that the Avior would be better suited as you can hold it/pick it up easier for better accuracy? I'm not a serious gamer, but would still like whatever mouse I get to be suited for best performance when gaming.

Also, what cloth pads are the best all around performers for most optical mice, or does it still depend on the mouse as a whole (firmware from different manufacturers) rather than the sensor being optical? I was looking at the PureTrak Talent with one of the two mice above. I think I am pretty much set on the PureTrak Talent as far as the mouse pad goes, that is, unless someone changes my mind and give me reasons to get something else instead wink.gif.

Edit : Forgot to mention, length from my wrist to tip of middle finger is just over 20cm.
Edited by Ice009 - 4/6/14 at 9:05pm
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Well you have two extra options if you want to go exclusively for 3310 sensor. Steelseries Rival and Corsair Raptor M45. Maybe their shape/weight fit your grip better. Best test is to put your hands on them before you buy smile.gif
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Some people might struggle lifting their mouse in a palm grip. But if you have been using a g5 and haven't been having a problem picking it up or you don't have a need to pick it up, and you think the naos will be more comfortable, i'd go with the naos.

Modern sensors are getting better and better at tracking well on a wide range of surfaces and the 3310 is the newest sensor, i would be shocked if it didn't track well on any cloth mouspad you found for it.

There is also the Roccat Kone Pure Millitary that is supposed to have the 3310, right? Anyone know when that is supposed to be released?
post #4 of 18
No idea when the Pure Military is gonna be released.

If you have any more specific questions, I am a user of both the Talent and the AVIOR (as probably the entire forum knows by now, lol). It is in my opinion, THE setup to have right now. However, if you're used to the G5 shape (that was actually my first gaming mouse as well) you might want to try the NAOS. I feel the AVIOR is better for serious gaming because I would say the vast majority of competitive FPS gamers use a fingertip or claw grip, since it allows for more precision in general.
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Well you have two extra options if you want to go exclusively for 3310 sensor. Steelseries Rival and Corsair Raptor M45. Maybe their shape/weight fit your grip better. Best test is to put your hands on them before you buy smile.gif

Not sure if I would like the shape of the Raptor. How is Corsair in regards to drivers and firmware?

Also, Metal571 did recommend the Rival to me in his Avior 7000 review thread, but after I went into the Steelseries Rival thread, I was completely put off the mouse by people mentioning a DPI switching bug. I didn't stay in there too long or read too much, but if I understood correctly, the mouse randomly switches DPI in game. That's a pretty bad bug if you ask me. Not sure I want to take a chance on that. Is Steelseries good with their firmware updates, cause apart from that major issue, just going by pictures, I would like the shape of the mouse, so it was a pretty good recommendation, based on shape..

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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

Some people might struggle lifting their mouse in a palm grip. But if you have been using a g5 and haven't been having a problem picking it up or you don't have a need to pick it up, and you think the naos will be more comfortable, i'd go with the naos.

Modern sensors are getting better and better at tracking well on a wide range of surfaces and the 3310 is the newest sensor, i would be shocked if it didn't track well on any cloth mouspad you found for it.

There is also the Roccat Kone Pure Millitary that is supposed to have the 3310, right? Anyone know when that is supposed to be released?

I can pickup the G5 fairly easily as I can grip it with my thumb, ring and little finger. Doesn't seem like you can pick up the NAOS easily just by looking at it. Are you saying that if I can pick up the G5, then the NAOS should be similar?

How would the original version of the Razer Goliathus Speed edition go in comparison to the current newer mouse pads? I've still got one that hasn't been used. Haven't needed it as I am still going through some OCZ Behemoth Regulator mouse pads that I bought a while ago on a clearance sale.

The Roccat mouse sounds very interesting. If anyone knows when that is due to be released, then I'd be interested in waiting for it, just depends on how far away it is. I'm not in a hurry, so I can wait a while. Then again, since I haven't really tried any different mice out, I might try a few different ones this year if I don't like whatever I initially buy.. These new sensors seem pretty good and are worth trying out different mice to find one that suits me best.
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No idea when the Pure Military is gonna be released.

If you have any more specific questions, I am a user of both the Talent and the AVIOR (as probably the entire forum knows by now, lol). It is in my opinion, THE setup to have right now. However, if you're used to the G5 shape (that was actually my first gaming mouse as well) you might want to try the NAOS. I feel the AVIOR is better for serious gaming because I would say the vast majority of competitive FPS gamers use a fingertip or claw grip, since it allows for more precision in general.

Actually, I wouldn't mind asking you about the Rival. I think you said that you have used/owned it before? Was it the firmware bugs, or some other reason that made you want to try out the Avior? And what is your preferred grip?
Edited by Ice009 - 4/7/14 at 4:02am
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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

Some people might struggle lifting their mouse in a palm grip. But if you have been using a g5 and haven't been having a problem picking it up or you don't have a need to pick it up, and you think the naos will be more comfortable, i'd go with the naos.

Modern sensors are getting better and better at tracking well on a wide range of surfaces and the 3310 is the newest sensor, i would be shocked if it didn't track well on any cloth mouspad you found for it.

There is also the Roccat Kone Pure Millitary that is supposed to have the 3310, right? Anyone know when that is supposed to be released?


may in europe
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Not sure if I would like the shape of the Raptor. How is Corsair in regards to drivers and firmware?

Also, Metal571 did recommend the Rival to me in his Avior 7000 review thread, but after I went into the Steelseries Rival thread, I was completely put off the mouse by people mentioning a DPI switching bug. I didn't stay in there too long or read too much, but if I understood correctly, the mouse randomly switches DPI in game. That's a pretty bad bug if you ask me. Not sure I want to take a chance on that. Is Steelseries good with their firmware updates, cause apart from that major issue, just going by pictures, I would like the shape of the mouse, so it was a pretty good recommendation, based on shape..
I can pickup the G5 fairly easily as I can grip it with my thumb, ring and little finger. Doesn't seem like you can pick up the NAOS easily just by looking at it. Are you saying that if I can pick up the G5, then the NAOS should be similar?

How would the original version of the Razer Goliathus Speed edition go in comparison to the current newer mouse pads? I've still got one that hasn't been used. Haven't needed it as I am still going through some OCZ Behemoth Regulator mouse pads that I bought a while ago on a clearance sale.

The Roccat mouse sounds very interesting. If anyone knows when that is due to be released, then I'd be interested in waiting for it, just depends on how far away it is. I'm not in a hurry, so I can wait a while. Then again, since I haven't really tried any different mice out, I might try a few different ones this year if I don't like whatever I initially buy.. These new sensors seem pretty good and are worth trying out different mice to find one that suits me best.
Actually, I wouldn't mind asking you about the Rival. I think you said that you have used/owned it before? Was it the firmware bugs, or some other reason that made you want to try out the Avior? And what is your preferred grip?

I used it before but I never encountered the CPI bug that everyone is talking about now, maybe I didn't have the latest firmware or something. It was really the crappier build quality and the weight and my preference for ambi and smaller mice rather than large ergo mice that made me switch, and I'm really glad I did. I use a fingertip grip.
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may in europe

Do you have a source for that? I thought it was going to be much later in the year than that.
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My source... is source:D I'm working in some way in industry:) So it's info firsthand from person responsible for brand over one of European regions. But as far as my experience goes many things may postpone it a bit(sea storm my delay container for example). So until it's not mid/late april it's hard to say for 100% which week exactly.
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My source... is source:D I'm working in some way in industry:) So it's info firsthand from person responsible for brand over one of European regions. But as far as my experience goes many things may postpone it a bit(sea storm my delay container for example). So until it's not mid/late april it's hard to say for 100% which week exactly.

Nice. I thought I was going to be waiting a long time to try one out.
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