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I've only played the first game...I have the second game, but I've yet to play it much. I will get around to it though.

The story was a little strange, but better than a lot of other games. I don't know...I am just a scifi nut I guess so maybe I have some bias. My only beef with the games is that you have these amazing abilities, but they really aren't all that useful for anything other than LOL moments. I can telekinesis a oxygen tank into that bad guy and blow it up or shoot electricity through the water they are standing in or start them on fire and watch as they slowly burn...or I could just shoot them and move on. The plasmids are what made the game different, but yet they took a back seat to just plain old bullets.
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yes I agree with what you are saying the uncharted game series made me feel like I was a character in a movie . I wish sony would develop games for all platforms

That would be the worst decision they could make for many reasons. The strength of their games comes from the fact that they were developed for one single piece of hardware and the sales that those games geneerate for the hardware goes right back in to the games.

I knew this forum was going to revolve around my post rather than the original post, and for that I am sorry. As for the people mentioning a bunch of games, we could all list 1 or 2 games that we think are good and have multi-platform releases, but those do not make a dent in my original point.

And I consider Metal Gear Solid a Sony game.
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Bioshock 1 had an amazing story and atmosphere. Till this day it is still one of my favorite games. the surprise at the end was an amazing part of the story. That game combined a lot of things to make you feel part of a crazy and amazing world. i thought it was such an interesting idea to have this world under water without the rules and morals of typical society and what people would do when placed in this world. It was a very unique game and at the time was amazing. The graphics and gunplay weren't the greatest but the story and atmosphere and mixing plasmids with the weapons made it an amazing game.

The praise for bioshock 1 wasn't neccesarily the story but it was more the atmosphere and world that they created which made it so special. The story was a little wierd but everything combined made it a great game.
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I've completed Bioshock Infinite and its DLC. I am currently working on Bioshock 1.

I feel like the story and writing is a lot better than most game series out there. Even the highly regarded Mass Effect series doesn't hold a candle to what I've seen in Bioshock so far. Maybe if that series would have kept the same quality as the first game things would be different. That's a topic for a completely different conversation though.

So far Bioshock has made perfect sense to me. I'm assuming that the application of the Many-worlds theory confused you. Maybe it's because of my experience with Fringe but that whole chain of events makes sense. What you do at the end of Infinite doesn't make much sense but people are illogical all the time. I don't see any problems with Bioshock's story so far.

But that multi-world concept only came later in the game. For the majority of the game you were just a guy who was escaping with a girl and the girl could look into the future.
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Tomb Raider has been one of the best games to hit the market in years.

Sorry if you have a poor taste in games. thumb.gif

Sorry buddy, it's the opposite.

Not to fight his battles, but I know his taste in games and it's far more picky than the average gamer. He only settles for the best of the best.

Tomb Raider is just boring, cliche crap. Nothing great about it, you likely just haven't played many games so just may not know what actually makes a great game(ex. Female Protagonist doesn't automatically make it a great game). Thankfully that can be changed, try playing some of the games I listed in my original post, no only do they contain some of the best writing but they are overall some of the best games ever created, notably Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect Trilogy, The Walking Dead S1-S2, Fallout: New Vegas.

Tomb Raider isn't special just because it has a female protagonist, it seems these days that's all it takes for a game to be called incredible. I'd love to hear you elaborate what makes Tomb Raider one of the 'best games', I'm sure it'll be funny. I'd argue it's those who believe Tomb Raider is a great game that have poor taste, but I don't want to straight up say that so I'll instead say it boils down it down to inexperience. It's clear you are inexperienced with the higher quality line of games, other wise you wouldn't have made such a statement. thumb.gif
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I find the Uncharted games to be extremely overrated in all facets, writing included. They feel like your typical Hollywood action adventure movie, which is really what they were going for but this just isn't very ambitious or special. Sony's budget goes to voice acting, animation, and advertising. It's not the writing or story that people praise in Naughty Dog games, it's just the cutscenes and cinematics.

Naughty Dog games don't demonstrate anything unique to gaming, they're wannabe films, and films will always be better. More impressive storytelling comes from games that use a tool that movies don't have; player interaction, to create a story and characters that react to what the player does. Such games aren't console exclusive, they tend to be multiplatform but they originated on PC.

When it comes to writing, two games stand far above all others; Planescape: Torment, a PC exclusive, and Silent Hill 2 which is multiplatform. Planescape is the most impressive especially since it involves lots of player interaction, leading to so many different outcomes and chain reactions throughout the game. The way they were able to use this storytelling technique and combine it with high class writing is amazing to behold.

Metal Gear Solid games might be the best written console exclusives, otherwise the best writing seems to come from multiplatform games like Dragon Age: Origins, The Walking Dead, Mass Effect series, Deus Ex series, Fallout: New Vegas (let's not forget the PC exclusive predecessors either). Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs has some of the best writing I've found in a long time, and it's a PC exclusive. Its predecessors too had really strong stories.

I played through Bioshock, but the linear repetitive gameplay bored me so much to the point where I lost interest in everything, including the story. I don't remember a single thing about it except corridor shooting.
They make you feel like you're watching a movie. Other games like The Walking Dead, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, and Planescape: Torment actually make it feel like I am the character and I'm part of the story, since I actually have considerable influence over both the plot and characters, leading to a branching, dynamic story with characters that actually seem to be alive. This takes far more skill, time, effort, creativity, and imagination. This combined with top level writing is, without a doubt, the best form of storytelling for me. It can do everything your pretend-film Naughty Dog games do, and much more. But unfortunately this form of storytelling is a minority in the gaming industry.

So you don't think The Last of Us had character development? Wow...

While I totally and whole heartedly disagree with you about Uncharted, I understand how people can have that impression of it. But it is a mistake to say that acting does not lend itself to the story. Acting is one of the most important aspects of the storytelling in any media.

And The Last of Us is considered better than many movies by a lot of people who have played it.
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So you don't think The Last of Us had character development? Wow...

While I totally and whole heartedly disagree with you about Uncharted, I understand how people can have that impression of it. But it is a mistake to say that acting does not lend itself to the story. Acting is one of the most important aspects of the storytelling in any media.

And The Last of Us is considered better than many movies by a lot of people who have played it.

He said it doesn't have good character development compared to the games he listed, which is true. Sure, TLOU has better than average character development, but people(including you) praise it like it's the best thing ever. Play some more games, TLOU is no where near the top, most just say so because it has fancy cutscenes and apparently these days cutscenes=great story and writing.

When did he say that acting wasn't important? VA is extremely important in conveying a believable experience in video games, I don't believe he ever said Naughty Dog games did that badly. They have some of the best voice acting performances, that much is true.

What movies would that be? There's probably 10,000 terrible movies out there, are we saying TLOU is better than those? I'm sure it is. Or are we comparing it to the best film has to offer? It's just a wannabe film compared to them. Though I think you misunderstood his point, games CAN be better than movies when it comes to storytelling but Naughty Dog doesn't even attempt that with their games, they just try to create wannabe movies(Movies being stories with no interaction), the other games he listed are examples of games with great story telling that reacts to player choice, something Naughty Dog has never achieved.
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While you're correct about Mass Effect, how exactly do any other those other games have good writing? I'm a massive Skyrim fan but I'm not blind to how minimal it is when it comes to story and writing. It's a game played for exploration and its open world RPG experience. Please do explain how you found Skyrim or those other games to have good writing..

There's games with MUCH better writing out there such as Mass Effect series, which you already listed, Dragon Age series, Baldurs Gate 1-2, Fallout 1-2, Fallout NV, The Walking Dead S1 and 2, The Wolf Among Us, Planescape, Alpha Protocol, Spec Ops: The Line, and probably a few others I'm forgetting.
I like tomb raider 2013 I don't know maybe its the genre that appeals to me but you cant deny that the voice acting is top notch all the characters have a distinct accents the developers who made that game took there time and did a good job . skyrim the voice acting mite not be the best but look at how much dialog went into that game and the game is awesome . diablo 3 is a masterpiece again the voice acting mite not be the best but look at all the dialog that went in to that game each character class has its own dialog and the story is awesome who would have thought diablo was inside leah . and the assassins creed series they took real parts of history changed it to make a completely different story and it is still educational the game speaks for it self who ever played the games knows what I am talking about
    
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Sorry buddy, it's the opposite.

Not to fight his battles, but I know his taste in games and it's far more picky than the average gamer. He only settles for the best of the best.

Tomb Raider is just boring, cliche crap. Nothing great about it, you likely just haven't played many games so just may not know what actually makes a great game(ex. Female Protagonist doesn't automatically make it a great game). Thankfully that can be changed, try playing some of the games I listed in my original post, no only do they contain some of the best writing but they are overall some of the best games ever created, notably Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect Trilogy, The Walking Dead S1-S2, Fallout: New Vegas.

Tomb Raider isn't special just because it has a female protagonist, it seems these days that's all it takes for a game to be called incredible. I'd love to hear you elaborate what makes Tomb Raider one of the 'best games', I'm sure it'll be funny. I'd argue it's those who believe Tomb Raider is a great game that have poor taste, but I don't want to straight up say that so I'll instead say it boils down it down to inexperience. It's clear you are inexperienced with the higher quality line of games, other wise you wouldn't have made such a statement. thumb.gif

Well maybe it is because I enjoy playing games like Uncharted and Last of Us, but Tomb Raider was actually a Fun game to play. Unlike most games that come out these days.

Also DA:O was alright, I liked it but not what I would call a stellar game. Mass Effect was Golden, Fallout 3 was better then New Vegas IMO.


A Game is considered good if it can not only pull you in, but keep you pulled in the entire time. With good game mechanics and great visuals. Could the Story in Tomb Raider been improved, Yes as it really wasn't the best story. Just the way the entire game was executed tied it all up pretty well.

I had a better time Playing Tomb Raider then I ever did playing DA:O or even most of the other newer games.

I also Really liked BioShock, it really is a fun shooter if you can put your mind into that type of game play.
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Tomb Raider has been one of the best games to hit the market in years.

Sorry if you have a poor taste in games. thumb.gif

Hmm... generic action sequence -> cliche cutscene -> generic action sequence, rinse repeat, and mix in awful QTEs, dumbed down repetitive mechanics that are designed for children, and no redeeming story qualities = best game in years? It's funny how nobody can point out what specifically they like about it either, female protagonist just enthralls people for some reason. Who has poor taste again? lachen.gif

Your posts just amount to nothing more than "I like the game so it's one of the best games ever made". There's much more to it than that. I too enjoy some games that really aren't very well put together, I'm just forthcoming about it.
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So you don't think The Last of Us had character development? Wow...

While I totally and whole heartedly disagree with you about Uncharted, I understand how people can have that impression of it. But it is a mistake to say that acting does not lend itself to the story. Acting is one of the most important aspects of the storytelling in any media.

And The Last of Us is considered better than many movies by a lot of people who have played it.

I never said The Last of Us doesn't have character development lol. Definitely not the best character development in the world though, and character development is primarily what The Last of Us relies on. I do agree that voice acting is very important, but more important than the writing itself... not for me.

It doesn't concern me what a lot of people say about The Last of Us. A lot of people, most of them, don't think for themselves and just say what others say. Most gamers aren't nearly as picky or critical as I am, most of them have the attention span of a flea, most of them are just dazzled by the cinematics and don't take into account everything else about the game when claiming it's masterfully crafted. Most gamers simply think that if they didn't enjoy the game, it's not a well-made game. These are unfortunate truths. Most movies are crap too, just like the majority of games are, so that statement doesn't have much weight to it.
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