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I'm planning my first build soon and at the moment I'm researching liquid cooling options. There are definitely a lot of ways to go. I'm hoping to get a few suggested components/set ups for cooling both CPU and GPU that don't take cost/budget into consideration. This is what's planned so far:

Corsair 750D
i5-4670
nVidia 780ti
Corsair AX860 PSU
Gigabyte Sniper mobo

I'm hoping to get away with only two rads; one at the bottom and one at the top. While I prefer to have a tube reservoir since I'm sure I'll have plenty of room, I'm not apposed to a bay mounted one.
So let me know what you guys would get. All suggestions and tips appreciated.

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by rustypixel View Post

I'm planning my first build soon and at the moment I'm researching liquid cooling options. There are definitely a lot of ways to go. I'm hoping to get a few suggested components/set ups for cooling both CPU and GPU that don't take cost/budget into consideration. This is what's planned so far:

Corsair 750D
i5-4670
nVidia 780ti
Corsair AX860 PSU
Gigabyte Sniper mobo

I'm hoping to get away with only two rads; one at the bottom and one at the top. While I prefer to have a tube reservoir since I'm sure I'll have plenty of room, I'm not apposed to a bay mounted one.
So let me know what you guys would get. All suggestions and tips appreciated.

Thanks.
First build? I highly suggest not doing a custom loop right away. Its very complex and takes a lot of knowledge to do it right, and if you do it wrong, your whole system gets covered in water.

But here is what I can suggest if you still wanna go through with it.
1 rad up top, the max length the 750D can support.
1 Res/pump combo.
This should be all you need in terms of cooling. Basically, you take the res->GPU->rad->CPU->res. The reservoir is going to bring the temps down just as much as the rad because the water is sitting still in a container basically, which allows it time to get back down closer to room temperature. Thats about all the knowledge I can offer.

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First build? I highly suggest not doing a custom loop right away. Its very complex and takes a lot of knowledge to do it right, and if you do it wrong, your whole system gets covered in water.

But here is what I can suggest if you still wanna go through with it.
1 rad up top, the max length the 750D can support.
1 Res/pump combo.
This should be all you need in terms of cooling. Basically, you take the res->GPU->rad->CPU->res. The reservoir is going to bring the temps down just as much as the rad because the water is sitting still in a container basically, which allows it time to get back down closer to room temperature. Thats about all the knowledge I can offer.

BTW, welcome to the forum! Add your rig to your sig, tutorial in my sig.

^^^ some of this is incorrect

1) first build going custom is awesome and there is no reason to think water will get over anything. You don't run your leak test with all your components on so there is no risk in damaging anything if done right.

2) You don't need a res/pump combo. I don't recommend it because it gives you more flexibility to where you want to put things later on down the road.

3) Only thing about loop order that matters is that your pump follows your res. After that the water is going to equalize within your loop and you can have them go through all the radiators and then your blocks. Doesn't make a difference in temperatures at all

4) A reservoir doesn't act as a radiator and will dissipate hardly any heat. It is a method of adding water so that you don't dry out your pump. That is all

5) Check out the 750D thread if you haven't already to get an idea of what others have done for setups. Especially radiator configurations as there are lots you can do in that case.

6) read the stick at the top of the forum for the WC section. Lots of good info in there. Put together a parts list and then come back we can give you more advice then thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by ADHDadditiv View Post

First build? I highly suggest not doing a custom loop right away. Its very complex and takes a lot of knowledge to do it right, and if you do it wrong, your whole system gets covered in water.

But here is what I can suggest if you still wanna go through with it.
1 rad up top, the max length the 750D can support.
1 Res/pump combo.
This should be all you need in terms of cooling. Basically, you take the res->GPU->rad->CPU->res. The reservoir is going to bring the temps down just as much as the rad because the water is sitting still in a container basically, which allows it time to get back down closer to room temperature. Thats about all the knowledge I can offer.

BTW, welcome to the forum! Add your rig to your sig, tutorial in my sig.
I agree that you should definitely do a lot of research before starting, but let's not scare away the newbies biggrin.gif If you have basic DIY skills and feel up for a moderately challenging project that will require some thinking and planning, you shouldn't have any problems with a full custom loop. Plenty of people go custom as their first loop (including myself). It's pretty much like anything, if you mess things up, you messed things up, so don't do that wink.gif Considering the expense involved, I think it makes sense to go for the loop you'll be happy with now instead of coming up short of what you really wanted. But getting back to the research part, you probably won't be in a position to make the choices to decide what you want until after you've read through a bunch of build logs, reviews, etc. etc.

People come to watercooling for essentially three main reasons: aesthetics, performance, and silence. A good first step in deciding what components you will want would be to figure out where you stand on each of those three factors.

So my main suggestion for the OP, since it sounds like you might be at the very start of your research into watercooling, is check out some of the tutorials here (stickied in a thread at the top of the watercooling forum main page, although some of those might be getting a little old at this point), and look through some build logs. The build logs in particular are excellent ways to get a sense of the process as well as gain inspiration for how things can look when you're done.

Here are two very well-regarded review sites you can also check out which will give you some good technical background: www.martinsliquidlab.org, and www.skinneelabs.com

I should point out also that a reservoir is NOT a substitute for a radiator. You might get a very small amount of ambient heat loss just the same as when you put a glass of warm water on the counter and eventually it goes back to room temp. But that's negligible compared with the heat your rad will dissipate.
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@15goudreau beat me to the punch on most of that tongue.gif

This is a small point but loop order does actually have a very small impact on temps, it's not zero. But it's small enough (a few tenths of one degree C) that other considerations such as practicality of tube runs and aesthetics are usually more important. As 15goudreau said, go res > pump then whatever works best.
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My best working formula is Res - Pump - Rad - CPU - Gpu OR Radiator #2 - Back to res and pump.

For a first build, I had everything set up correctly, and all worked well. 1/2" outer diameter fittings, 7/16" inner diameter tubing, nothing has sprang a leak. I have the MCP-655 with the variable speed switch on it as well.
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@15goudreau beat me to the punch on most of that tongue.gif

This is a small point but loop order does actually have a very small impact on temps, it's not zero. But it's small enough (a few tenths of one degree C) that other considerations such as practicality of tube runs and aesthetics are usually more important. As 15goudreau said, go res > pump then whatever works best.

hehe I'm a ninja.gif
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I appreciate any and all replies. I've actually been looking into this (researching) for a little over a week and I have a fairly good idea of what needs to be done. I am a newbie when it comes to not only water cooling but building a system. This will be a first for me in both regards. I'm technically inclined and all of this stuff comes fairly easy to me and that's going to aid me well when I get rolling with this which will be very soon as I just placed an order for the CPU (Amazon has it on sale today). I often start threads like this asking for advice and it helps me in that I'm always given a little piece of info that I would never have gotten otherwise. I've read lots of articles, studied many, many pictures of builds (for my chosen case and others) and have seen a ton of Youtube vids. But I never ever discount the knowledge and obvious helpfulness of people on forums who have, for the most part, "been there, done that". I am a habitual brain picker and that's why I post.
With that said, this is what I have as far as a proposed set up for water cooling. Please note that unlike pretty much all my other components picked, things here aren't set in stone and I can and will change if there is a better component or a better way of getting it done.

Parts I have in mind so far:

  • Alphacool or Koolance radiators. (Undecided between brands).
  • XSPC Raystorm CPU block. (Thought about the Koolance CPU-380i but the XSPC can be lit (Eye candy)).
  • Not sure about a water block for my chosen card (nVidia 780ti).
  • Swiftech MCP655 pump.
  • Liquid Fusion "T-Virus" 160mm reservoir (More eye candy, I know)
  • Silverstone AP123 fans to use with all rads.
  • Mate black compression fittings from Bitspower.
  • Distilled water with a biocide additive. No color additives or colored coolant.
  • Tubing is the thing I'm currently trying to pinpoint. I'm looking for green tubing and I'm trying to find something that is plasticizer free.



2 fan rad at the bottom and either a 2 or 3 fan rad at the top. (probably a 3 fan at the top).

The planned water flow is as follows:

RESERVOIR - PUMP - LOWER RAD - GPU - CPU - UPPER RAD - RESERVOIR

There you go. Have at it and let me know what you all think.

Thanks!
Edited by rustypixel - 4/7/14 at 7:16pm
post #9 of 21
Primochill Advanced LRT. Is the best flexible tubing without plasticizer hands down. Don't bother buying anything else. For your GPU block I'd look to EK they make fantastic full cover blocks for GPUs everything else looks fine
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Primochill Advanced LRT. Is the best flexible tubing without plasticizer hands down. Don't bother buying anything else. For your GPU block I'd look to EK they make fantastic full cover blocks for GPUs everything else looks fine

This or Norprene (not sure if it comes in green though)!
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