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Originally Posted by Totally Dubbed View Post

hahaha - in all seriousness:
Video editing:
-More cores = better
-8cores = 8 threads - i7 = 4 cores @ 8threads & i5 with 4 core @ 4 threads
-AMD is cheaper

Annnnd that's about it.
there's a reason why any "serious" benchmarks have their full PC specs in the OP redface.gif

or 6 cores @12 threads biggrin.gif
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or 6 cores @12 threads biggrin.gif

yeah but that's unfair as a comparison - as that's stupidly expensive smile.gif
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hahaha - in all seriousness:
Video editing:
-More cores = better
-8cores = 8 threads - i7 = 4 cores @ 8threads & i5 with 4 core @ 4 threads
-AMD is cheaper

Annnnd that's about it.

8320 needs to be clocked higher than 4670k to encode faster than it. They're rivals unless you beat the 4670k clock by about 300mhz or more where it starts to pull away - but given that average 4670k can do about 4.5@1.3 and 4.7 by voltage limits (doable on air without delid if you're not trying to run hottest tests, but 1.3-1.35vcore is probably wiser than ~1.42), that's quite hard for them to do - you can't really clock an fx-8 or fx-9 to 4.9-5.0 on air, so they're effectively just neck and neck with 4670k in modern x264 encoder versions
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8320 needs to be clocked higher than 4670k to encode faster than it. They're rivals unless you beat the 4670k clock by about 300mhz or more where it starts to pull away - but given that average 4670k can do about 4.5@1.3 and 4.7 by voltage limits (doable on air without delid if you're not trying to run hottest tests, but 1.3-1.35vcore is probably wiser than ~1.42), that's quite hard for them to do - you can't really clock an fx-8 or fx-9 to 4.9-5.0 on air, so they're effectively just neck and neck with 4670k in modern x264 encoder versions

Surely 8 cores is better than 4 core with 4 threads...?
No matter the clock speed (to a certain degree - not 1GHZ crap haha)
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Surely 8 cores is better than 4 core with 4 threads...?
No matter the clock speed (to a certain degree - not 1GHZ crap haha)

Well, 4670k is a notch up from a 2600k (4c/8t) in terms of encoding speeds. Piledriver 8-thread was somewhat of a rival with 3770k, but haswell likes video encoder loads, gets good benefit from architectural enhancements and modern video encoders (x264 at least) are able to implement avx2 instructions for a (quoting x264 dev) ~5% speedup on top of other IPC gains, which makes 8350~=3770k~=4670k

I'm able to fight with FX 8-threads without enabling HT for those loads, and a guy who benched in the AMD thread before with a 3930k only had like a 20% lead, 12 thread vs 8


Here's a bench actually.. I took multiple, and not sure where to find them:
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~7.28fps for 3930k
~6.1fps for 4770k
~5.18fps for 4670k
~5.11fps for 8350

That puts 8350 at 100% performance
4670k at 101.4% performance
4770k at 119.4% performance
3930k at 142.5% performance
(at the same clock speed)

Maybe not so fair on fx (with a 200mhz or more clockspeed lead, should win vs i5) but it probably even depends on what you're encoding and settings etc, basically they're very close on air. Within a few %.

7.28 / 6.1 = 1.19x speed advantage for 3930k over 4770k, clock for clock on that bench.


More threads help, but only when they're fast enough. FX does not scale to 8x performance with 8 threads, it's usually only like 6-7x due to shared resources, which means they have to be closer than they are in IPC to win clock for clock, even with 2x the threads.

It's a very common misconception that a CPU with more cores/threads should automatically win if they can be utilized. FX has shown itself to be weaker to point where it uses the extra threads to stay on par, not get ahead. That's why the unlocked FX 8-thread die is dropping to ~£105 in UK yet i've never seen 4670k hit £160 or 4770k drop below £240
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Locked for cleaning.

Edit: reopened.

Like Twerk says, everybody keep it on-topic.

The thread was also moved from PC gaming to Nvidia drivers.
Edited by tpi2007 - 4/10/14 at 4:15pm
 
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Locked for cleaning.

Edit: reopened.

Like Twerk says, everybody keep it on-topic.

The thread was also moved from PC gaming to Nvidia drivers.

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Originally Posted by twerk View Post

Cleaned.

The OP has stated he does not want people arguing about Mantle, it is not the topic of this thread so if you wish to carry on the discussion, please take it elsewhere.

If there is any more off topic talk then warnings will be issued. This is a great thread that TD has clearly put a lot of work into, so I think you should respect that and keep it great. smile.gif

If you have any issues then feel free to shoot me a PM.


Many thanks lads!
I appreciate it - I'll adjust the OP too (I'll double check it) smile.gif
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It's a very common misconception that a CPU with more cores/threads should automatically win if they can be utilized. FX has shown itself to be weaker to point where it uses the extra threads to stay on par, not get ahead. That's why the unlocked FX 8-thread die is dropping to ~£105 in UK yet i've never seen 4670k hit £160 or 4770k drop below £240

Great info there man +rep
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snip*

My next goal is to test RAM speeds and the effects of those of BF4 benches. Again, because Corsair came out and said you gain up to 20% by buying faster RAM - despite the IMC on CPUs natively supporting 1600hz.
I'm very much a "myth buster" - I want to see things for myself, to prove for my own sake if they're like that or not.
However, by spending SO MUCH TIME on doing these things - I feel it isn't right for me to keep the information to myself, and thus release the results.

snip

I would personally like to see the memory speed test, corsair's claim was too good to be true but Im sure it was somehow honest to their setup. Thats a bold claim for a company to make, not like it was a rep on a forum on his own time. That test would likely also require old drivers (same as corsair would be ideal) vs 337.50 to be apples to apples.

Im just surprised this "late" in the game they bring out a driver with this much added benefits but I will take it biggrin.gif I was actually tempted to get a 780/290 till this driver hit. Maybe its in my head but even though previously on my 770 I had strong fps, bf4 just seems smoother. Some maps my minimum and average fps went up over 10fps.
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I would personally like to see the memory speed test, corsair's claim was too good to be true but Im sure it was somehow honest to their setup. Thats a bold claim for a company to make, not like it was a rep on a forum on his own time. That test would likely also require old drivers (same as corsair would be ideal) vs 337.50 to be apples to apples.

Im just surprised this "late" in the game they bring out a driver with this much added benefits but I will take it biggrin.gif I was actually tempted to get a 780/290 till this driver hit. Maybe its in my head but even though previously on my 770 I had strong fps, bf4 just seems smoother. Some maps my minimum and average fps went up over 10fps.

If I was in no rush to buy a new GPU - I would wait for the next gen Nvidia cards - see what they bring.
If you don't like it - you can either go with AMD or buy the same Nvidia card you were eyeing up and get it for much cheaper smile.gif

Corsair wise - indeed.
There was one german guy (I think he was german) that did the tests and showed almost the same benefits - but it seemed odd - his benchmarks seemed a little weird to me and I couldn't believe it.
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