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post #1 of 78
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Hey guys,

So i'm going to be purchasing a HAF Stacker at some point down the track,
What i would like to know is:

1-If i was to get 2 x 360mm radiators would i
A) Be best off having them both as 45mm and having push pull on them?
B) Having the thickest i can get and only have push or pull on them?
C) Having push/pull on one and only push or pull on the other?

To give you an idea of how it will be sitting...The HAF stacker has it's modular case on top of the main case which allows for 2 radiators to be mounted on either side. Hence it is only 235mm thick. (the fans i'm using 12 x corsair sp120 performance edition) are 25mm thick each so it will go like this:

Fan > radiator > fan > SPACE IN BETWEEN> fan > radiator > fan...

the fans total width will be 100mm so that only leaves 135mm for radiator x 2 and space inbetween.

I will be using the front and back of the modular case as intake and both rads will be the exhaust.

If you want a picture just let me know!

Please radiator gurus point me in the right direction. biggrin.gif

Regards,

Chris.
post #2 of 78
I would go with the thickest radiator possible while still maintaining push-pull. Going by the dimension you listed, You should be able to fit 2x 60mm radiators with push-pull, but there would only be a small gap between them which may cause some turbulence. Personally, I would go with 45mm with push-pull
post #3 of 78
You can fit 2 low fin count 60mm rads in push and still have a decent gap. Push pull will leave too small a gap I think. The xspc rx360 v3s are very good at 56mm wide. If you get high static pressure fans then just push is OK.

Don't get the corsairs. The published numbers are good, but at low speeds they aren't so impresive. Go with GTs, Noctua NF-F12s or e-loops.

Check out the look in my build log (link in my sig).
Edited by Wihglah - 4/8/14 at 1:10pm
post #4 of 78
I vote for two 360 rads, around 50-60mm thick. Corsair fans are good at speeds where you hardly can hear them, but a little slower than that and they barely move any air. So thats true, you need fan controller with those corsair SP. Dont know which fans are best for low speed/noise though.
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post #5 of 78
Always recommending SR-1 radiators with mid/low RPM fans. I run NoiseBlocker BlackSilentPro fans on a 360mm SR-1 radiator, and they are truly silent.

-Zepp
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post #6 of 78
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Originally Posted by ledzepp3 View Post

Always recommending SR-1 radiators with mid/low RPM fans. I run NoiseBlocker BlackSilentPro fans on a 360mm SR-1 radiator, and they are truly silent.

-Zepp
If budget allows, THIS! Hardware Labs has been my first choice of radiators ever since getting my GTX 480. The build quality is second to none. From what I hear, that hold true with all of their radiators. They are quite expensive though, for the performance that can be match by lower cost radiators, such as Alphacool's NexXos radiators.
post #7 of 78
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Man so I should return my corsair sp120 and get something else? Lostboy was telling me he got 4 packs of cougar fans for 30 bucks each.

So do basically what you guys are saying is if I want to run push pull then I don't need high static pressure but if I just want to run push then I need high static pressure.

I kinda regret wasting 110 bucks on only 4 corsair sp120s now. frown.gif
post #8 of 78
I mean you dont need to run push and pull, only takes up alot of space. Also 110 bucks on 4 fans, you kidding me? You must mean 4 pairs of fans = 8 pieces.
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post #9 of 78
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Nah man it's $39 per set of them...i got 2 sets then payed $30 bucks express postage lol
post #10 of 78
Alright so a small piece of advice.

$30 for shipping on just fans is absurd. Save some serious money, and use the time it will take to plan out your loop and visualize everything. It makes the process much smoother once the building actually begins smile.gif as for the Corsair fans- there's serious problem with them. They are not designed by a company like Noctua or NoiseBlocker, people who specialize in pretty much just making the best fans possible.

If looks are of no concern, Noctua are your holy grail. If you're looking to fit a theme, then NoiseBlockers will be your best bet. Of course people will say that Gentle Typhoons are "silent" but in reality they aren't. Many forget there is a substantial difference between quiet, and truly silent.

Now back to the radiators. I'm assuming that weight and work space within the case could be a potential issue, hence the recommendation of the non-gigantic SR-1 radiators. If you don't mind working in tighter spaces and having more fans- a 60+mm radiator and push pull fans will be your friend at lower speeds.


For my cooling system (which is inaudible), here's what I run.
Fans (all running off of spitters on a Bitspower X-Station):

(X4) NoiseBlocker BlackSilentPro PK-2 140mm fans @5V.
(X4) NoiseBlocker e-Loop B12-2 120mm fans @5V.
(X6) NoiseBlocker BlackSilentPro PL-2 120mm fans @5V.
(X1) NoiseBlocker e-Loop B12-PS PWM (400-1500RPM) 120mm fan on a motherboard header.

I did mess up one of my fans, and will be swapping 3 of the PL-2's to PL-1's to equalize the pressure more to a slightly positive pressure in my motherboard chamber, because I have a dual chamber case. Hope the advice helps you. I can provide pictures of what the NB fans look like installed!

-Zepp
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