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post #21 of 78
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If you are going to wait that long why do you think about this stuff now? I mean your current system is good and would be worth watercool imo. I would buy stuff now and then just switch it to the next system, since you cn use everything except the WB for the gpu. Stacker is really odd looking and its too big considering you can only mount two 360mm rads.If you are not going to watercool now, no point to buy stuff.

I may end up watercooling it now.

Also it can fit 4 x 480mm rads in the haf stacker case. Plent of room thumb.gif
And at less and half the price of a caselabs case...plus it would be double again to get caselabs as i live in australia lol

But yeah i would definitely want to watercool my cpu in the meantime while i wait! Also would let me prepare the hafstacker for when all the new stuff comes out. (as i will need to mod it a bit)

Atleast my cooling stuff would be mostly done and can start organising lighting colours..plastidipping case parts. etc etc
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Originally Posted by Wihglah View Post

Don't get the corsairs. The published numbers are good, but at low speeds they aren't so impresive.

Gonna have to go against you on that. The corsair SP120s perform admirably even at lower speeds. I control my radiator fan speeds with my GPU through an 8-way splitter that takes the PWM/RPM signal directly from the graphics card fan port and I use an automated fan curve adjusted to where the fans would run at 100% at any temp over 50C. Unless I'm playing Crysis 3 or some heavy benchmark, my GPU core stays in the very low 40s even as I'm pushing ~1.4v through my 780 Ti core at 1350Mhz, and it does so with fans fluctuating between just 35-50% which is more than reasonably quiet. My loop, for reference, has a 360mm rad and a 240mm rad (both 45mm thick) with 5 SP120 fans in push-only config, cooling a heavily overclocked/overvolted 780 Ti and a 3570K at 4.4Ghz. And if you are ever pushing your system to the absolute limit, you can always crank the fans to 100% temporarily, and the SP120s are extremely impressive at 100%.

You could always go with low-pressure fans in push-pull, but having 2x the number of fans running at a lower speed is probably the same (if not more) noise as push-only fans at a higher speed, plus it takes up more power, money, and space - unless you sacrifice on radiator thickness. (btw, I would recommend thicker rads with push-only fans over thinner rads in push-pull)

In summary, my suggestion is: Thick rad + push-only + high static pressure fans > other configurations
post #23 of 78
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You can't tell me you don't like the look of this? Its only roughly 900mm tall and width/depth are same as a normal full tower dimensions.

post #24 of 78
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Gonna have to go against you on that. The corsair SP120s perform admirably even at lower speeds. I control my radiator fan speeds with my GPU through an 8-way splitter that takes the PWM/RPM signal directly from the graphics card fan port and I use an automated fan curve adjusted to where the fans would run at 100% at any temp over 50C. Unless I'm playing Crysis 3 or some heavy benchmark, my GPU core stays in the very low 40s even as I'm pushing ~1.4v through my 780 Ti core at 1350Mhz, and it does so with fans fluctuating between just 35-50% which is more than reasonably quiet. My loop, for reference, has a 360mm rad and a 240mm rad (both 45mm thick) with 5 SP120 fans in push-only config, cooling a heavily overclocked/overvolted 780 Ti and a 3570K at 4.4Ghz. And if you are ever pushing your system to the absolute limit, you can always crank the fans to 100% temporarily, and the SP120s are extremely impressive at 100%.

You could always go with low-pressure fans in push-pull, but having 2x the number of fans running at a lower speed is probably the same (if not more) noise as push-only fans at a higher speed, plus it takes up more power, money, and space - unless you sacrifice on radiator thickness. (btw, I would recommend thicker rads with push-only fans over thinner rads in push-pull)

In summary, my suggestion is: Thick rad + push-only + high static pressure fans > other configurations

Thanks! My first hope of fans being a success tongue.gif I'm liking them so far...so you reckon 60mm radiators with these bad boys in just pull?

It will be in the top section of the haf stacker like this sp120 > 60mm rad >
65mm space inbetween
> 60mm rad > sp120

not sure about how i should do airflow though!! Any thoughts? I was thinking having them push through one side and out the other?would i want to to do it like this if i was doing that??

sp120 (in push) > 60mm rad > 20mm shroud > sp120 (in pull) > 20mm shroud > 60mm rad > sp120 (In pull)

First time water cooler would love to hear your input! biggrin.gif
post #25 of 78
You over do it man, keep it simple. All you need is a decent 45-60mm rad and a single set of sp120 HF fans adjusted with volt reducer and/or fan controller. The odds are bigger the limit on cpu temp will be the lid on the cpu (hence why people delid and apply new thermal paste). Stacker is a big ass case man, it will be totally unmovable. For cooling a cpu + 2 gpu which I assume you are doing in future, you really "only" need three 240mm rads or one 360mm and two 240mm. Thats enough and saves space and money and you dont need a OP case wither. By the time 5th gen intel and "gtx 790" somes out who knows what cases are released then. Why do you wanna cool that cpu and gpu that much anyways? Are you a gamer or what are you?
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post #26 of 78
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You over do it man, keep it simple. All you need is a decent 45-60mm rad and a single set of sp120 HF fans adjusted with volt reducer and/or fan controller. The odds are bigger the limit on cpu temp will be the lid on the cpu (hence why people delid and apply new thermal paste). Stacker is a big ass case man, it will be totally unmovable. For cooling a cpu + 2 gpu which I assume you are doing in future, you really "only" need three 240mm rads or one 360mm and two 240mm. Thats enough and saves space and money and you dont need a OP case wither. By the time 5th gen intel and "gtx 790" somes out who knows what cases are released then. Why do you wanna cool that cpu and gpu that much anyways? Are you a gamer or what are you?

What's the point on building rigs if you aren't going to overdo it. smile.gif
I'm a gamer but have a lot more enjoyment out of build rigs. I want my first WC build to be something overkill and learn everything about doing it. I could even run a 480mm at 80mm thickness in the bottom part with push pull and the same at the top. That would be best airflow would it now? Temps would be Uber cold! Amiright? tongue.gif

As for stacker being big..that's fine. My desktop will be in the same spot for the next 6+ years thumb.gif
post #27 of 78
Lots of bad information in this thread...

For starters, if you're controlling your fans in a water cooling system, it makes zero sense to use any sort of pwm/board control. The heat transfer to the fluid is a transient process. Why ramp the fans up rapidly as soon as the core gets hot? Best fan control for water loops in my opinion is a rheostat or voltage controller sorts. Set a manual speed. Also, to the Op, check out Martin's liquid lab if you haven't already. He did some awesome tests on all sorts of radiators. You can see the amount of heat dissipated with selected fan speeds. Some awesome data, but what you will find is that the thick rads perform only slightly better at moderate fan speeds (remember these tests are relative, so the fan itself isn't important nor the pressure it pushes). For example, the alphacool st30 actually performs better than the thicker radiators at under 1000 rpm.

The take away, if you are interested check out his site. I know in my system I also want an extremely quiet rig, so when I see the thicker radiators only beating out radiators like the st30 by single digit watts, the choice is simple.

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post #28 of 78
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Originally Posted by renzkuken1 View Post

Thanks! My first hope of fans being a success tongue.gif I'm liking them so far...so you reckon 60mm radiators with these bad boys in just pull?

It will be in the top section of the haf stacker like this sp120 > 60mm rad >
65mm space inbetween
> 60mm rad > sp120

not sure about how i should do airflow though!! Any thoughts? I was thinking having them push through one side and out the other?would i want to to do it like this if i was doing that??

sp120 (in push) > 60mm rad > 20mm shroud > sp120 (in pull) > 20mm shroud > 60mm rad > sp120 (In pull)

First time water cooler would love to hear your input! biggrin.gif

Just push, no pulling fans. For radiator thickness, you can get by just fine with 45mm, I personally think 60mm is overkill. For air flow, I'd try going with this setup:



If you look at the site I took that picture from (link) you'll see that in his tests, that setup was the most effective as long as cold air can flow in from from the top or bottom, and then exit out the sides.
post #29 of 78
Yeah, lots of bad info here.
I suggest you go as thick as you can while reserving room for push/pull.
And a ST30 in p/p would most absolutely outperform a UT60 at any fan speed.
Rad thickness and high fpi count is not where it's at.
Too often, a thinner, low fpi rad will outperform a thick one....especially in push/pull.

A rad in p/p at 800 rpm will be slightly more quiet than the same rad in push or pull at 1000 rpm. And they will both probably perform equally..

As for Corsair fans, I'll let someone else do the talking:
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Originally Posted by Unicr0nhunter View Post

Honestly, there is no comparable fans to the Gentle Typhoons in terms of a balance of radiator airflow & noise, but a whole lot of others that come in a distant cumulative 2nd place - all comparably the same - take your pick. Just look at Martin's test results ...

Martin's Rad airflow to Noise level chart

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That chart shows each fan's rad airflow to noise level curve. The closer the fan's curve is to the bottom right corner of the chart the better its balance is of radiator performance vs noise. As you can see, the Gentle Typhoon lineup stands well apart from all the others, or, if you really don't mind louder, but with a similar performance curve, then there's the Delta VHEs, but other than that they're all just one big glob bunched together so you can't hardly tell one from another.
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post #30 of 78
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Gonna have to go against you on that. The corsair SP120s perform admirably even at lower speeds.

Compared to some others, they aren't in the same league.

See the graph above.
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