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I'm jumping into this scrum a bit late, but if it were me I would put the two rads exhausting out instead. I'm not familiar with the configuration of the stacker's cooling chambers so this assumes it would allow enough in-flow of air to supply both rads. Did you say you're doing push + pull on both, or just push?

BTW Pepe wins the thread so far in my book, listen to him wink.gifbiggrin.gif

Yeah that statement scored him a +rep from me tongue.gif
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Yeah that statement scored him a +rep from me tongue.gif
I was actually talking about his technical points all being spot on, as well as the excellent advice not to take it too seriously biggrin.gif
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Yeah that statement scored him a +rep from me tongue.gif
I was actually talking about his technical points all being spot on, as well as the excellent advice not to take it too seriously biggrin.gif

 you are right about that. unless you are using the exact setup being tested by say Skinnee/Martin

there are so many variables involved you can really only speak in generalities.

 

I have had many courteous disagreements with others about parallel vs serial cooling of VGA's

I get a 7-9c improvement in temp going with parallel cooling in my quad machines, however, if I remove one pump, the dynamics change drastically. 

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 you are right about that. unless you are using the exact setup being tested by say Skinnee/Martin
there are so many variables involved you can really only speak in generalities.

I have had many courteous disagreements with others about parallel vs serial cooling of VGA's
I get a 7-9c improvement in temp going with parallel cooling in my quad machines, however, if I remove one pump, the dynamics change drastically. 
Well, noone can test every conceivable combination of equipment that's out there, so you have to assess how much and in what direction a given result can be extrapolated to things outside the test. This really touches on the essence of the scientific method, and how scientific a given test is or is not. Good experiments control for as many variables as possible, trying to isolate the thing you want to test as the uncontrolled variable, and document the results by recording as much data as you can. Martin is very good at it which is why his results are so well-regarded.
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 you are right about that. unless you are using the exact setup being tested by say Skinnee/Martin
there are so many variables involved you can really only speak in generalities.

I have had many courteous disagreements with others about parallel vs serial cooling of VGA's
I get a 7-9c improvement in temp going with parallel cooling in my quad machines, however, if I remove one pump, the dynamics change drastically. 
Well, noone can test every conceivable combination of equipment that's out there, so you have to assess how much and in what direction a given result can be extrapolated to things outside the test. This really touches on the essence of the scientific method, and how scientific a given test is or is not. Good experiments control for as many variables as possible, trying to isolate the thing you want to test as the uncontrolled variable, and document the results by recording as much data as you can. Martin is very good at it which is why his results are so well-regarded.

 

 

I could not agree more. :) it's why I find arguing about watercooling so silly. A simple thing like fans with low or high static pressure can change the dynamics of the loop.

people tend to forget that even water cooling is in fact...air cooling.

I have tried a huge array of variables on each loop to find the best results while taking notes, what can change the dynamics/results can be surprising.

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I could not agree more. smile.gif it's why I find arguing about watercooling so silly. A simple thing like fans with low or high static pressure can change the dynamics of the loop.
people tend to forget that even water cooling is in fact...air cooling.
I have tried a huge array of variables on each loop to find the best results while taking notes, what can change the dynamics/results can be surprising.

Wonder how feasible adding an aquarium chiller to the loop would be tongue.gif
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I could not agree more. smile.gif it's why I find arguing about watercooling so silly. A simple thing like fans with low or high static pressure can change the dynamics of the loop.
people tend to forget that even water cooling is in fact...air cooling.
I have tried a huge array of variables on each loop to find the best results while taking notes, what can change the dynamics/results can be surprising.

Precisely, water cooling is a misnomer.
It's still the air that cools everything.
Hence the biggest performance variations are never block brand, TIM brand, rad sizing, or pump speed.
It's almost always the fan specs and speed, and airflow design that determines most of the performance.

Thin low fpi rads perform sometimes better because they allow more air through them.
Nothing to do with the rad's performance. Rather everything to do with the rad's restriction level to the fans.
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Wonder how feasible adding an aquarium chiller to the loop would be tongue.gif
Been done.
You can buy chillers on FrozenCPU I beleive....never tried it myself.
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I could not agree more. smile.gif it's why I find arguing about watercooling so silly. A simple thing like fans with low or high static pressure can change the dynamics of the loop.
people tend to forget that even water cooling is in fact...air cooling.
I have tried a huge array of variables on each loop to find the best results while taking notes, what can change the dynamics/results can be surprising.

Wonder how feasible adding an aquarium chiller to the loop would be tongue.gif

see what claims are made for yourself. these guys are the leaders in submerged cooling

 

http://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc.php

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I could not agree more. smile.gif it's why I find arguing about watercooling so silly. A simple thing like fans with low or high static pressure can change the dynamics of the loop.
people tend to forget that even water cooling is in fact...air cooling.
I have tried a huge array of variables on each loop to find the best results while taking notes, what can change the dynamics/results can be surprising.

Wonder how feasible adding an aquarium chiller to the loop would be tongue.gif

Hailea are your best bet,they have a proven track record with chiller and PC loops.

OP-Rad thickness doesnt have the massive effect that people expect,personally I would just get the largest low/mid FPI rad you can comfortably fit in your case,this gives you the headroom to wind the fans up if need be for those hot days.
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