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Originally Posted by Hukkel View Post

That is not really true. A Titan is equal to two GTX670s in gaming power. There were the GTX680s to SLI, there was a GTX690 and you could buy THREE HD7970s back then for the price of a Titan and they would walk all over it.

In single GPU performance yes they were unbeatable. No doubt. But Nvidia never even dreamed about selling as much Titans as they did. They were flying off the shelf and buildlogs were packed with them. You yourself bought a Titan if I remember correctly. Nothing wrong with that. Not at all. Everyone should spend their money as they see fit. But I just find it odd that you have such a problem with 1500$ for this. At the end of the day it is all about what people buy. And if they buy Titans and then 295x2s and then Titan Z cards then manufacturers will make the next one even more expensive.
Oh I have. I am quite active. But complaining doesn't help if you then still buy it. because Titans have sold in number that were crazy for a 999€x card.

this is a very strong point, i remember when you could even get 4 HD7950 for the price of 1 TITAN thumb.gif
post #272 of 539
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it's not like I'm being unreasonable here. people who bought Titans over a year ago were enjoying the beast performance way early compared to 780/290 owners. it's just that when people makes statements to disguise their true motives at least they can try and apply their reasoning consistently. it's just plain funny to watch a guy give reasons for "why card x is a worthwhile purchase" over and over for months and when a new product not from his brand of choice is a decent offering compared to most comparable alternatives while having the advantage of being a single card (not single gpu) it's complain and detract when the reasons for defending their own purchase lend themselves even better on this card than theirs. me, I still won't buy a dual unless I only had this itx build and wanted the power of two cards, but I have more options then just that. and seriously, as of now this card is a much better value than duals from the other camp right?

I really want a 295x2, i can but 2 right now.

i refuse to encourage these price points though.

My 7970 will be staying with me for a while. Till I can get a 290x for $300.

Till then I will bank account will be on the rise.
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Come on Maxwell kingpins tongue.gif tired of Kepler and Hawaii already.
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Amd/nvidia would have a stroke if someone in a review actually said negative things about a card without making it sound like it's not a big deal.
AMD's hearth must be worse than Honey Boo Boo's by now.
post #275 of 539
People have to get well in their heads GPUs aren't overpriced, when it gets to models like the 780 line or 290 line, bar those luxury products like this 290x x 2 or the Titan line.

The transistor is just harder and much more expensive to shrink nowadays. Wake up. They are not trying to rip you off. They genuinely find it hard to give you something twice as fast every year as they used to in the 90s. Well, you may not have lived that era. If you did you may have understood. It's just much, much harder to offer you something now that impresses you. If TSMC fails to bring something bettter than 28nm for 2-3 years, there is nothing they can do. They can enlarge the die, as they did, get abysmal yields (failed chips on wafers), as they did, and charge you more, as they did, because it costs more.
Note: Sure there are cartels and duopolies, at least partly in this business, but it's certainly not only that. There are patents holding others out from entering the game and that harms the environment of the technology world. But it's obvious there is something afoot with the pace of advancement nowadays because patent wars happened in the past as well.

I think people are also confused because of Intel's domination on the 22nm scale on CPUs. Yes, they are good, but that doesn't mean much about GPUs or anything. It just means that Global Foundries are bad. x86/x86-64 patents locked us into an AMD/Intel duopoly and since GloF fail, the whole thing fails, and Intel enjoys a monopoly. Their process is good but that's only because we are lucky. They could be as bad and now have CPUs that hog and are a bottleneck, instead of just considering the GPUs being the bottleneck in most setups (stereoscopic excluded). In fact, Intel shrunk their CPU dies in latest models. That's how much they respect you. They actually gimped their own CPUs because they have no competition, because that's business. 22nm wasn't "lackluster", they just gave you even less for marginally better.
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Tech prices ARE NOT supposed to double and triple like this.

It's supposed to get cheaper! This market stinks of price-fixing and conspiracy.
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People have to get well in their heads GPUs aren't overpriced, when it gets to models like the 780 line or 290 line, bar those luxury products like this 290x x 2 or the Titan line.

The transistor is just harder and much more expensive to shrink nowadays. Wake up. They are not trying to rip you off. They genuinely find it hard to give you something twice as fast every year as they used to in the 90s. Well, you may not have lived that era. If you did you may have understood. It's just much, much harder to offer you something now that impresses you. If TSMC fails to bring something bettter than 28nm for 2-3 years, there is nothing they can do. They can enlarge the die, as they did, get abysmal yields (failed chips on wafers), as they did, and charge you more, as they did, because it costs more.
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Quite frankly the gpu prices on AMD are constant except for those premium products.
Since the start of Kepler Nvidia went even more crazy.

As for the price 28nm at this stage is a very cheap node so I don't think they are at all paying that much more.
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So I am seeing this right...the 295X2 whips the 780 TI SLI with 'Wonder Drivers 337.50" while being quiet and cooler??
Edited by Redeemer - 4/9/14 at 2:50pm
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lol
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So I am seeing this right...the 295X2 whips the 780 TI SLI with 'Wonder Drivers 337.50" while being quiet and cooler??
Definitely not after it boosts to the MOOOONNNNN. lol
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