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Just found this on my feed...seems the navy is going to do so...on a 3 billion dollar stealth destroyer that uses hydrogen taken from the ocean as fuel...XD


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I love the number of technical experts in here. Why didn't they hire you all to work on this project?

Tongues are too loose ?

LoL

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Spending more on war toys than social programs is so cool.
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Spending more on war toys than social programs is so cool.

Yes...Cause spending on welfare gives sooo much more tangible results than protecting yourself...

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2014USbn_15bs2n_101730333435#usgs302

lets see...with medicaid...welfare spending is 808.4 billion as compared to the military's TOTAL budget of 820.2 billion...However, looking at the military's budget for some ODD reason the military has foreign ECONOMIC aid ADDED to their budget...this is not for military mind you... that is a total of 34.4 billion...

So since foreign economic aid is equivalent of a WORLD social program...subtracting 34.4 billion from the military and adding the 34.4 billion to welfare side...that makes it 842.8 billion as compared to 785.8 billion for the military....

Yeah real cool spending priorities there...one ends up being the our security and also due to the politicians the worlds police force...while the other side allows OUR poor to have a standard of living most worlds poor would kill to have, or is all those people sneaking across our southern border are here for our versions of pizza and perogies??
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Yes...Cause spending on welfare gives sooo much more tangible results than protecting yourself...

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2014USbn_15bs2n_101730333435#usgs302

lets see...with medicaid...welfare spending is 808.4 billion as compared to the military's TOTAL budget of 820.2 billion...However, looking at the military's budget for some ODD reason the military has foreign ECONOMIC aid ADDED to their budget...this is not for military mind you... that is a total of 34.4 billion...

So since foreign economic aid is equivalent of a WORLD social program...subtracting 34.4 billion from the military and adding the 34.4 billion to welfare side...that makes it 842.8 billion as compared to 785.8 billion for the military....

Yeah real cool spending priorities there...one ends up being the our security and also due to the politicians the worlds police force...while the other side allows OUR poor to have a standard of living most worlds poor would kill to have, or is all those people sneaking across our southern border are here for our versions of pizza and perogies??

If you honestly believe we only spend ~$800 billion on our military prowess, you would be mistaken.

The number is in the trillions when you add in what is off the books, and the industrial side of it. You need to look at the machine as a whole to really understand spending....

Secondly, while we do spend a lot on social programs, it isn't done properly. If we actually focused that money in more efficient ways, and on something like educating our people, we would see huge return on it.
    
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If you honestly believe we only spend ~$800 billion on our military prowess, you would be mistaken.

The number is in the trillions when you add in what is off the books, and the industrial side of it. You need to look at the machine as a whole to really understand spending....

Secondly, while we do spend a lot on social programs, it isn't done properly. If we actually focused that money in more efficient ways, and on something like educating our people, we would see huge return on it.

Government + efficient = non-real result. IIRC the military has basically been on a decline in size and spending since the 1980s. The irony is that social programs are now growing/no longer shrinking yet the results seem to be little better than before.

ON TOPIC: Did I miss where they came up with the solution to the barrel wear problem that currently plagues the rail guns? The last video/report I read/saw from the Navy claimed they had to replace the barrels after something like 10 shots max. I also wonder why coil guns are more common in smaller sizes yet they seemed to have been skipped for larger deployments compared to rail guns. I guess the 2 years until these are deployed is to address the wear and the salt damage issues?
     
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Yes...Cause spending on welfare gives sooo much more tangible results than protecting yourself...

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2014USbn_15bs2n_101730333435#usgs302

lets see...with medicaid...welfare spending is 808.4 billion as compared to the military's TOTAL budget of 820.2 billion...However, looking at the military's budget for some ODD reason the military has foreign ECONOMIC aid ADDED to their budget...this is not for military mind you... that is a total of 34.4 billion...

So since foreign economic aid is equivalent of a WORLD social program...subtracting 34.4 billion from the military and adding the 34.4 billion to welfare side...that makes it 842.8 billion as compared to 785.8 billion for the military....

Yeah real cool spending priorities there...one ends up being the our security and also due to the politicians the worlds police force...while the other side allows OUR poor to have a standard of living most worlds poor would kill to have, or is all those people sneaking across our southern border are here for our versions of pizza and perogies??

Sorry for interrupting but it seems you've left out the piece where you compare the result of military vs social spending? I'm just curious since your rant took of as a sly remark about the effects.


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Sorry for interrupting but it seems you've left out the piece where you compare the result of military vs social spending? I'm just curious since your rant took of as a sly remark about the effects.
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http://aei.pitt.edu/2231/

there is a piece that shows some of the military R&D going to commercial uses, like for example that destroyer I mentioned above...you dont think the new way the ship converts hydrogen and carbon dioxide to fuel DOESN'T have a commercial use in the future??!!

Now don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with social spending, there are people with disabilities that cannot survive without government help... My niece for example, she has a rare form of dwarfism that comes with learning disabilities. Most likely she will never leave my brothers house in her lifetime, while my brother and his wife make too much to have her on all the programs my niece can be on, it is reassuring to know the help is there if they fall on hard times.

I also have known a lady for over 10 years now, that is on full welfare, medicaid, section 8, food stamps etc. She also has had cancer, her neck and spine were injuried earlier so she cant turn her head without moving her whole body to do so. I have seen what she drives, been to her place and she doesnt live high on the hog. So no gripes with her either.

However...

Between our own government ENCOURAGING non citizens to sign up for government programs...

http://www.welcometousa.gov/Government_benefits/default.htm

and people like a coworker of mine(will explain him in a moment). Yeah I am not a big fan of waste when it comes to social spending. I know there is waste on the military side as well and I also dont mind cutting military spending, just in a different fashion(will explain that as well)

Now my coworker, lets see, he has a girlfriend and also has 3 kids with her. However he never plans on marrying her. Even with the "child support" he provides, she gets housing assistance, utilities assistance(water, natural gas, electricity) and food stamps. So without having to worry too much about most of the other bills most of his earnings after his "child support" payment is discretionary spending. Him and I make around the same amount of money, while two thirds of my wage goes to various bills around my house, some like my internet line can be labeled as "entertainment" i will admit but i dont have the government helping my wife and i with the rest of our bills like food, utilities, etc... So when I see my coworker coming into work in either his 2009 Tahoe(his original vechile) or his 2012 CTS Cadillac sedan, yeah I get a little peeved that my money goes so he can enjoy himself.


As for my thoughts on military cuts...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments

As you can see we have alot of military bases around the world, some may make sense tactical wise, but we usually have to pay for the priviledge of being there by the host country. For example it says we have 40K soldiers in Germany. What the heck for??.. I know we are paying the German government a pretty penny to set up shop there, not adding to the fact the pay we send our soldiers, part of that gets plowed into the local economy. It also has the unintended consequence of subsidizing the German military, not in direct dollars per say, but the Germans would probably spend alot more on their military if we were not there. Please don't tell me that sort of thinking doesn't go through a German politician's mind either.

So my thinking if we can shut down about half of the oversea bases, or even get the host countries to allow us to stay there for free(or even get them to pay for us to stay there), we can save some money that way. So I am not in favor of giving the military a free pass on their budget either.
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They already have this deployed, on a flight to japan about 15 other people including myself saw one fire from an aircraft carrier off the coast of japan. It was a something to behold though.
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