Originally Posted by Huzzbutt
Sorry for interrupting but it seems you've left out the piece where you compare the result of military vs social spending? I'm just curious since your rant took of as a sly remark about the effects.
there is a piece that shows some of the military R&D going to commercial uses, like for example that destroyer I mentioned above...you dont think the new way the ship converts hydrogen and carbon dioxide to fuel DOESN'T have a commercial use in the future??!!
Now don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with social spending, there are people with disabilities that cannot survive without government help... My niece for example, she has a rare form of dwarfism that comes with learning disabilities. Most likely she will never leave my brothers house in her lifetime, while my brother and his wife make too much to have her on all the programs my niece can be on, it is reassuring to know the help is there if they fall on hard times.
I also have known a lady for over 10 years now, that is on full welfare, medicaid, section 8, food stamps etc. She also has had cancer, her neck and spine were injuried earlier so she cant turn her head without moving her whole body to do so. I have seen what she drives, been to her place and she doesnt live high on the hog. So no gripes with her either.
Between our own government ENCOURAGING non citizens to sign up for government programs...
and people like a coworker of mine(will explain him in a moment). Yeah I am not a big fan of waste when it comes to social spending. I know there is waste on the military side as well and I also dont mind cutting military spending, just in a different fashion(will explain that as well)
Now my coworker, lets see, he has a girlfriend and also has 3 kids with her. However he never plans on marrying her. Even with the "child support" he provides, she gets housing assistance, utilities assistance(water, natural gas, electricity) and food stamps. So without having to worry too much about most of the other bills most of his earnings after his "child support" payment is discretionary spending. Him and I make around the same amount of money, while two thirds of my wage goes to various bills around my house, some like my internet line can be labeled as "entertainment" i will admit but i dont have the government helping my wife and i with the rest of our bills like food, utilities, etc... So when I see my coworker coming into work in either his 2009 Tahoe(his original vechile) or his 2012 CTS Cadillac sedan, yeah I get a little peeved that my money goes so he can enjoy himself.
As for my thoughts on military cuts...
As you can see we have alot of military bases around the world, some may make sense tactical wise, but we usually have to pay for the priviledge of being there by the host country. For example it says we have 40K soldiers in Germany. What the heck for??.. I know we are paying the German government a pretty penny to set up shop there, not adding to the fact the pay we send our soldiers, part of that gets plowed into the local economy. It also has the unintended consequence of subsidizing the German military, not in direct dollars per say, but the Germans would probably spend alot more on their military if we were not there. Please don't tell me that sort of thinking doesn't go through a German politician's mind either.
So my thinking if we can shut down about half of the oversea bases, or even get the host countries to allow us to stay there for free(or even get them to pay for us to stay there), we can save some money that way. So I am not in favor of giving the military a free pass on their budget either.