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More techs like this for the US Military, please tongue.gif
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http://aei.pitt.edu/2231/

there is a piece that shows some of the military R&D going to commercial uses, like for example that destroyer I mentioned above...you dont think the new way the ship converts hydrogen and carbon dioxide to fuel DOESN'T have a commercial use in the future??!!

Now don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with social spending, there are people with disabilities that cannot survive without government help... My niece for example, she has a rare form of dwarfism that comes with learning disabilities. Most likely she will never leave my brothers house in her lifetime, while my brother and his wife make too much to have her on all the programs my niece can be on, it is reassuring to know the help is there if they fall on hard times.

I also have known a lady for over 10 years now, that is on full welfare, medicaid, section 8, food stamps etc. She also has had cancer, her neck and spine were injuried earlier so she cant turn her head without moving her whole body to do so. I have seen what she drives, been to her place and she doesnt live high on the hog. So no gripes with her either.

However...

Between our own government ENCOURAGING non citizens to sign up for government programs...

http://www.welcometousa.gov/Government_benefits/default.htm

and people like a coworker of mine(will explain him in a moment). Yeah I am not a big fan of waste when it comes to social spending. I know there is waste on the military side as well and I also dont mind cutting military spending, just in a different fashion(will explain that as well)

Now my coworker, lets see, he has a girlfriend and also has 3 kids with her. However he never plans on marrying her. Even with the "child support" he provides, she gets housing assistance, utilities assistance(water, natural gas, electricity) and food stamps. So without having to worry too much about most of the other bills most of his earnings after his "child support" payment is discretionary spending. Him and I make around the same amount of money, while two thirds of my wage goes to various bills around my house, some like my internet line can be labeled as "entertainment" i will admit but i dont have the government helping my wife and i with the rest of our bills like food, utilities, etc... So when I see my coworker coming into work in either his 2009 Tahoe(his original vechile) or his 2012 CTS Cadillac sedan, yeah I get a little peeved that my money goes so he can enjoy himself.


As for my thoughts on military cuts...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments

As you can see we have alot of military bases around the world, some may make sense tactical wise, but we usually have to pay for the priviledge of being there by the host country. For example it says we have 40K soldiers in Germany. What the heck for??.. I know we are paying the German government a pretty penny to set up shop there, not adding to the fact the pay we send our soldiers, part of that gets plowed into the local economy. It also has the unintended consequence of subsidizing the German military, not in direct dollars per say, but the Germans would probably spend alot more on their military if we were not there. Please don't tell me that sort of thinking doesn't go through a German politician's mind either.

So my thinking if we can shut down about half of the oversea bases, or even get the host countries to allow us to stay there for free(or even get them to pay for us to stay there), we can save some money that way. So I am not in favor of giving the military a free pass on their budget either.

I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis. Like it or not, the US has responsibilities that go beyond its self interest in this World. It cannot lose the edge that has gained in the past 70 years.
post #142 of 170
Sigh, our military experts on here still think the world is flat. A rail gun will never replace a ICBM launched from a ship.
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More techs like this for the US Military, please tongue.gif
I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis. Like it or not, the US has responsibilities that go beyond its self interest in this World. It cannot lose the edge that has gained in the past 70 years.

And its this "policeman of the world" mentality that people cannot stand about 'murica. We don't need to have a military presence in every nation on earth.
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Sigh, our military experts on here still think the world is flat. A rail gun will never replace a ICBM launched from a ship.

It's not meant to, it's meant to replace conventional large bore guns and, to some extent, cruise missiles. Most likely it will be used as an anti vehicle / bunker weapon, whereas an ICBM is more for when you want to destroy significant chunk of a country (and start a major war).

Also, remember that these things take ballistic trajectories, meaning they can curve over the horizon.
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And its this "policeman of the world" mentality that people cannot stand about 'murica. We don't need to have a military presence in every nation on earth.

Yes and no... but Spiderman got it right. With great power comes great responsibility biggrin.gif
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And its this "policeman of the world" mentality that people cannot stand about 'murica. We don't need to have a military presence in every nation on earth.

Yes and no... but Spiderman got it right. With great power comes great responsibility biggrin.gif

And even spiderman complained about the cost of his web fluid.
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This is a beautiful piece of technology but I just don't see how this could hit an aircraft.
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Sigh, our military experts on here still think the world is flat. A rail gun will never replace a ICBM launched from a ship.

It's not meant to, it's meant to replace conventional large bore guns and, to some extent, cruise missiles. Most likely it will be used as an anti vehicle / bunker weapon, whereas an ICBM is more for when you want to destroy significant chunk of a country (and start a major war).

Also, remember that these things take ballistic trajectories, meaning they can curve over the horizon.

Yes, I'm fully aware of basic physics of a ballistic projectile. Once you reach ~18-20 Km, the odds of you hitting the target are much, much smaller regardless of the drop. You'll need speciality designed shaped charges to account for such. Even then, you'll be leaps and bounds more inaccurate than an ICBM, cruise missile, etc.

The rail gun, as you said, is to expand upon existing large bore guns. They won't out match a rocket at longer distances; let alone the accuracy or firepower. The most important aspect a cruise missile gives a destroyer is ground control well over the maximum effective range of a large bore gun. A rail gun is still restricted to these laws. Our waters have evolved to the point of taking use of indirect warfare. I'd rather protect my carrier by 50-100 Km, effectively, then well under 18 Km.

...but, once a ship/entity does come into range, the rocket is much less effective than the gun. In the end, both serve their purpose and won't replace each other as they don't serve the same purpose; nor can, due to physical restraints both have.
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This is a beautiful piece of technology but I just don't see how this could hit an aircraft.

Much like how they've always been able to hit aircraft. Guided projectiles are merely better than a bullet. But to be frank, with how advanced our technology is getting, you can intercept close range aircraft quite easily with taking two relative velocity vectors and angling the gun appropriately.
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This is a beautiful piece of technology but I just don't see how this could hit an aircraft.

"All guns are tracking and engaged, captain."

They don't really just shoot from the hip. There is some aiming involved. Though a jet flying at Mach 2 would take some very sophisticated and precise turrets. I am sure they'd just break out the AA guns or toss a few missiles up at it rather than make something like that.
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With the cost of fuel they'll slow down those jets. tongue.gif

Most aircraft won't be engaging for long if they maintain if they are operating at Mach 2 constantly over long distances. Let alone, they won't be getting that "up close and personal" as not only do they have weapons to engaged a target at excessive ranges, but while at the same time they can be detected and engaged with weapons significantly better for this application.

I think people would be rather shocked if they knew what our forces can actually do, and how indirect they need to be in order to do so. Both serve their purpose, and we knew exactly how dangerous it is to have one and not the other (i.e. early Phantoms in Vietnam).
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