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I see the the USS Missouri every single day, I've always wondered what she would look like shooting her main guns... And no that stupid movie with Rihanna doesn't count.

Man, the rail gun would be freaking crazy. If it spawned a new class of ship mannnnn that would be a sight to behold. A railgun laser beam wielding ship of death!

But who's this gonna be used against?
Some poor guy with an AK, haha talk about overwhelming force.

It still stands that the Submarine is way scarier! C'mon someone parking right ousted of your waters wreaking havoc at will without you knowing where they are.
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The biggest benefit is the lack of explosive needed for the desired effect. MUCH less shrapnel.

The rail gun scene really was awesome in transformers.

Didn't they mean that there is no explosion in the gun? In current guns, they are still packing charges largely the same way they were back when breach loading artillery was invented; which isn't all that much different than muzzle loading. I would assume the shell would still explode. Shrapnel is a good thing when talking about naval shells. Some might be solid armor piercing kinetic rounds though...but there would have to be explosive rounds too.
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The Hood as a fine ship that meet an unfortunate end. You got to remember that by the time she engaged Bismarck (that was brand spanking new) she was over 20 years old and outdated. Many other ships including sate of the art battleships have suffered equally unfortunate ends. Lets not forget how some of the greatest battleships meet their end.

I was more talking about the way she went down - an explosion in her magazines. That was something we were discussing earlier in this thread - the issues with having a large amount of stored electrical charge on-board instead of conventional explosives.

She did also go down in about 3 minutes with the loss of all but three hands.

Oh, and my grandfather was working aboard the Hood as an electrician, he was taken off to work on another convoy ship only a few weeks before the Battle of Denmark Straight. If not for that I would almost certainly not be here.
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I see the the USS Missouri every single day, I've always wondered what she would look like shooting her main guns... And no that stupid movie with Rihanna doesn't count.

Man, the rail gun would be freaking crazy. If it spawned a new class of ship mannnnn that would be a sight to behold. A railgun laser beam wielding ship of death!

But who's this gonna be used against?
Some poor guy with an AK, haha talk about overwhelming force.

It still stands that the Submarine is way scarier! C'mon someone parking right ousted of your waters wreaking havoc at will without you knowing where they are.

Well if they ever get implemented on the large scale then it would essentially be a floating long range artillery piece so instead of bombing using airplanes or using guided missiles the target would be shelled form beyond the horizon. My guess would be that they would use smart shells like the M982 Excalibur so it would be even closer to guided missile and as such would be used in very similar ways.

M982 Excalibur --> http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2011/04/satellite-guided-heavy.html
    
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Didn't see the thread cleaning.

I like the idea of the rail gun. Over time it will be more and more refined and more economical.
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I was more talking about the way she went down - an explosion in her magazines. That was something we were discussing earlier in this thread - the issues with having a large amount of stored electrical charge on-board instead of conventional explosives.

She did also go down in about 3 minutes with the loss of all but three hands.

True but still like I said she was over 20 years old and even if the battle only lasted a few minutes she still put enough holes in Bismark to be tracked and killed. But really that's besides the point I was trying to make originally as I was pointing out that it would be quite unlikely for any navy to build battleships in this day and age as battleships are designed to slug it out with other ships and so have very heavy armor.

If rail guns where put on ships then it would be most likely to build them as long range artillery and the battle cruiser style ship is more suited for that type of armament hence we have battle cruisers armed with cruise missiles.
    
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I was more talking about the way she went down - an explosion in her magazines. That was something we were discussing earlier in this thread - the issues with having a large amount of stored electrical charge on-board instead of conventional explosives.

She did also go down in about 3 minutes with the loss of all but three hands.

True but still like I said she was over 20 years old and even if the battle only lasted a few minutes she still put enough holes in Bismark to be tracked and killed. But really that's besides the point I was trying to make originally as I was pointing out that it would be quite unlikely for any navy to build battleships in this day and age as battleships are designed to slug it out with other ships and so have very heavy armor.

If rail guns where put on ships then it would be most likely to build them as long range artillery and the battle cruiser style ship is more suited for that type of armament hence we have battle cruisers armed with cruise missiles.

Depends on how many they can power. A battleship has the real-estate to field a lot more guns. If they can power them all...a battleship would make for much better floating artillery battery. If each ship power plant can only fire a few of these at a time then it would more sense to put them on the lighter hulls.

Though if they can be powered in great numbers they could commandeer the Disney cruise ships and put these on them for all it matters. I am relatively certain we will never see another naval battle in human history. It is too easy to know where the enemy ships are now days and stay out of range...even rail gun range. Commanders will just send in planes. Battleships have pretty much been obsolete since the middle of World War 2.
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well it s very very unefficient , so much power lost in trying to spread the rail apart and heat , you can easily reach about mach 3-4 with pressure and vacuum , which is way more efficient .

Not a more efficient weapon system.
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the bank of blue thing behind are capacitor/battery , it s about 10x more capacitor/battery then they use in the LHC kicker magnet which has a current of 72 kA , yes 72000 amps in a non-supra magnet, but it's long to load even with access to mainland 380000V line so imagine on a ship lol

Modern nuclear powered warships are capable of producing plenty enough electricity for railguns.

And the whole reason capacitors are used is to deliver pulsed power well in excess of available continuous power.
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Ever seen a 2200uF, 50V capacitor explode? Or shorted the terminals of a 450V, 560uF capacitor? It's impressive. And that's peanuts next to the storage needs of a railgun. When the railgun is charged, you don't want to be near the capacitors if they get hit...

The capacitor banks only hold energy needed for one shot. A conventional magazine on a battleship holds all the ammunition and the propellant used to fire them. The later, though usually better protected, is certainly more dangerous if it's struck by enemy fire, or sees a major accident.
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Try powering that......

...and are there still global treaties on navy tonnage?

Bigger ships can hold bigger reactors. And I doubt it, the later Nimitz class carriers are already well over 100k tons full load.

Not that it would be economical to build massive rail gun equipped capital ships.
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Ships are made of metals and composites.... would conduction would be an issue electrocuting seamen? (No way to insulate that much potential voltage).

Plenty of ways to make sure that it would be very unusual for a person to be the shortest path to ground in a metal ship.
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The biggest benefit is the lack of explosive needed for the desired effect. MUCH less shrapnel.

The assumption that there would be less fragmentation is incorrect, and so is the idea that less fragmentation would always be desirable.

When a mach 5+ projectile hits something, there is going to be a big explosion, from raw kinetic energy alone, and surviving pieces of the projectile, as well as what was hit, are going to go all over.
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Depends on how many they can power. A battleship has the real-estate to field a lot more guns. If they can power them all...a battleship would make for much better floating artillery battery. If each ship power plant can only fire a few of these at a time then it would more sense to put them on the lighter hulls.

Though if they can be powered in great numbers they could commandeer the Disney cruise ships and put these on them for all it matters. I am relatively certain we will never see another naval battle in human history. It is too easy to know where the enemy ships are now days and stay out of range...even rail gun range. Commanders will just send in planes. Battleships have pretty much been obsolete since the middle of World War 2.

Exactly which is why I also said
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Well if they ever get implemented on the large scale then it would essentially be a floating long range artillery piece so instead of bombing using airplanes or using guided missiles the target would be shelled form beyond the horizon. My guess would be that they would use smart shells like the M982 Excalibur so it would be even closer to guided missile and as such would be used in very similar ways.

M982 Excalibur --> http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2011/04/satellite-guided-heavy.html

It would be like when New Jersey shelled bunkers in the vietnam war but with longer range and a ship that is cheaper to maintain then a tricked out battleship. Really that's one of the really big things, cost. Battleships are just to damn expensive to maintain.

Hell who knows perhaps they opt to just bolt them to something like an small oil platform and tow it into place. Because really like you say the underlying ship wont matter that much.
    
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generic LG DVD WC'd , Supreme LT, NexXxoS Xtreme III 360, Phob... Windows 7 x64 Samsung 27" LED S27A550B 
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ACER 23" x233H Dell U3415W Logitech G11 Chieftec 850W 
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Phanteks enthoo luxe Razer deathAdder respawn steelseries Qck Yamaha HTR-6130 AV Receiver 
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Yamaha NS-50B floor tower speakers miditech Audiolink II stereo sound card 
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i7 920 OC 4.0 GHz 1.35v HT on Asus P6T 1366 SLI Gigabyte GTX 970 OCZ 12GB DDR3 GOLD/Platinum mix 
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Samsung Spinpoint F1 1TB Western digital 300GB Western digital Caviar Blue 1TB Samsung 840 EVO 250Gb 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
generic LG DVD WC'd , Supreme LT, NexXxoS Xtreme III 360, Phob... Windows 7 x64 Samsung 27" LED S27A550B 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
ACER 23" x233H Dell U3415W Logitech G11 Chieftec 850W 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Phanteks enthoo luxe Razer deathAdder respawn steelseries Qck Yamaha HTR-6130 AV Receiver 
AudioAudio
Yamaha NS-50B floor tower speakers miditech Audiolink II stereo sound card 
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