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Yes. This tech could very well bring back the 'battleship.' Big ships with big guns.

BTW, guided missile cruisers and Carriers were the death of the old battleships.

Well - considering that with this you could, in theory, bring down anything that dares to put it's nose above horizon it might indeed bring back a "battleship" in a sense. Although I highly doubt that targeting systems are already that accurate to bring down a plane at few hundred km going slightly above sound speed and possibly doing evasive actions if it notices the locking radars on itself. Although at the end of a day it will not be a magic wand probably as missiles are going to be remaining pretty useful, even if cost per shot is somewhat higher. I mean you can pack missiles into substantially smaller package than one of these. So at least most of the "less developed" nations will be using missiles and will be hoping to stay under the radar, so to say.
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Modern Anti Air warfare is no longer Air Superior on Air Superior warfare. It is radar vectored surface to air carried out by the navy RIM-161 and ground based RIM-174. These missiles operate at speeds and flight ceilings greater than anyone’s modern aircraft can achieve. Have payloads that only have to get close enough to count and have operational ranges in the 100’s of miles. They can be vectored by multiple control sources from Airframe C&C to ground based radar and multiple packages. We learned to do this type of intercept during the deployments of the Tomcat’s. Modern Air Superior fighters are a dying breed. The only reason for a modern fighter to be involved in an air to air victory these days is due to identification and sudden defensive evasion problems. Hence the diminishing roll in non drone aircraft for air superiority. The main advantage of an actual fighter today is being able to put human eyes on an area fast.
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Now if the could make a hand held model like the one in "Perfect Dark" ,that would be awesome. Of course would have to have the heat scope to see & shoot through objects ! Loved that game on N64
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Every time I hear about a rail gun it always takes me back to 1996:

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Every time I hear about a rail gun it always takes me back to 1996:


That should have blown their arms off from the recoil...

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The Chinese probably already have the schematics; itd be nice if we didnt broadcast every piece of military hardware that we create but I guess you gotta brag if you got it.
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The Chinese probably already have the schematics; itd be nice if we didnt broadcast every piece of military hardware that we create but I guess you gotta brag if you got it.

Well thats the thing, the concept was created in 1918 by the french and was offically patented in 1919. Heck, it was an iteration of a coilgun .. or a Gauss gun, named after a German Johann Carl Friedrich Gauss, so really the idea could've dated as far back as the 1700's somewhere. Towards the end of the second world war the Germans had drawn up a working schematic for a rail flak cannon but never got around to building it. The EU has been building and test firing them since the late 80's early 90's.

The tech isn't new, just afew 'kinks' were needed to be sorted out, like the immense amount of heat generated per round fired cause warping of the barrel in earlier models. If I remember correctly from a newspaper artical I read about from UK testing in the early 90's, that the battleship mounted test cannon had problems with the curvature of the earth when firing at long ranges with a High velocity round.

More than likely, yes the chinese do have the schematics, maybe even a prototype.

The thing that irks me, however. Is that news articals like this become public and everyone thinks that it's an american invention.. it really isn't, right down to the concept. Just this iteration is american designed and built. To me, this isn't news, this is mucsle flexing. I didn't see any "Breakthroughs" or anything new, just "We're publicly announcing that we're testing a weapon" rolleyes.gif
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Didn't they mean that there is no explosion in the gun? In current guns, they are still packing charges largely the same way they were back when breach loading artillery was invented; which isn't all that much different than muzzle loading. I would assume the shell would still explode. Shrapnel is a good thing when talking about naval shells. Some might be solid armor piercing kinetic rounds though...but there would have to be explosive rounds too.

Nope, no explosives in a railgun slug.

You don't need any form of explosives to decimate a target then a super dense solid slug traveling mach 7(approximately 5,400 mph) hits its target. Ever seen the Mythbusters episode where they literally turn a car into dust with a 1" thick steel metal plate traveling 700 mph? This would be many magnitudes more destructive.


Punching a hole through armor sure...it is like a sabot round in a tank. However, some times you want to spread shrapnel over large areas or just pack explosives hence the tanks and large anti-material rifles like the XM109 will have other types of round besides the sabot.

I am also thinking of it more like a artillery piece and not a naval gun. Wet navies will never shoot at each other. If these see use, they will be firing at land targets and an earth berm absorbs impact amazingly well...but doesn't take too many shells exploding inside of it to reduce it to an ant hill in short order. If they are relying solely on solid slugs flying at mach 4 the weapon is going to end not being all that effective.
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The Chinese probably already have the schematics; itd be nice if we didnt broadcast every piece of military hardware that we create but I guess you gotta brag if you got it.
Doesn't really matter....

The bigger question is: Do the Chinese have the industrial capacity and material science to build such a high precision weapon. (No!)

The Chinese currently are having issues with modern fighters due to aerospace grade parts. They do not have enough experience and they supply lines are corrupted with counterfeit parts.

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I am also thinking of it more like a artillery piece and not a naval gun. Wet navies will never shoot at each other. If these see use, they will be firing at land targets and an earth berm absorbs impact amazingly well...but doesn't take too many shells exploding inside of it to reduce it to an ant hill in short order. If they are relying solely on solid slugs flying at mach 4 the weapon is going to end not being all that effective.
If you're trying to hit what is behind an earth berm or underground.... just punch right through it.
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