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because i understood that seasonic is one of the best and XFX is producing with their fundamentals components or using the same components .. similar process, not sure.

Not saying Seasonic is bad just saying the EVGA SuperNova G2 is both better and its almost always cheaper. And no EVGA has not made the SuperNova G2 its a rebranded Super Flower Leadex
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That would be correct, I didn't even catch that. OP, if you plan on SLI, that board doesn't support it. Perhaps switch that h100i out for a Hyper 212, and used the saved money for a better 990FX board and a 8320, and just get better cooling down the road if you decide you need it. A hyper 212 should push a 8320 to 4.4-4.6Ghz though, which is more than fine thumb.gif

i'm not in cold weather country

overclocking is more important than SLI

i thought gigabyte is very good one.


Alright .. this is the set after changing the CPU and the motherboard

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/RWPGSOP/saved/4iZv
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i'm not in cold weather country

overclocking is more important than SLI

i thought gigabyte is very good one.


Alright .. this is the set after changing the CPU and the motherboard

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/RWPGSOP/saved/4iZv

Good Deal thumb.gif That Gigabyte board was OK, it just can't do SLI. That Asus board you picked should max out that 8350 though. You could go with the 8320 to save some cash since you're serious about overclocking, but of course the 8350 is more likely to go a couple hundred megahertz higher due to better binning, up to you I suppose if the extra cash is worth it...
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Not saying Seasonic is bad just saying the EVGA SuperNova G2 is both better and its almost always cheaper. And no EVGA has not made the SuperNova G2 its a rebranded Super Flower Leadex


http://pcpartpicker.com/user/RWPGSOP/saved/4jcc


i'm still not sure of this set or 4670k is more reliable
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The 4670k and 8350 are neck and neck for the most part, the 8350 being the better choice if Battlefield 4 is your main focus. The 4670k runs older games and MMO's better, while the 8350 wins out in newer titles that can use all 8 of its threads.

If you want something that will last longer and do well generally among all games, I vote 4670k thumb.gif if primarily Battlefield 4, then the FX 8350.





(And please no AMD or Intel Fanboy start something, we've had enough flame wars lately)
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If 8 cores are used, 4670 is better than the 6300, depending on the workload equal to or slightly behind fx-8 thread CPU's.

Fx6300 is budget CPU, for use when you won't be limited by single threaded performance and it (along with cheap cooling) allows you to get decent multithreaded performance at budget significantly lower than that of 4670k, and thus take a stronger GPU etc
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Good Deal thumb.gif That Gigabyte board was OK, it just can't do SLI. That Asus board you picked should max out that 8350 though. You could go with the 8320 to save some cash since you're serious about overclocking, but of course the 8350 is more likely to go a couple hundred megahertz higher due to better binning, up to you I suppose if the extra cash is worth it...


yea .. i gonna sleep
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http://pcpartpicker.com/user/RWPGSOP/saved/4jcc


i'm still not sure of this set or 4670k is more reliable

Thats not the G2 you picked thats the older crappy NEX

This one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438017
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itcharzherp,

A Haswell core has a wider instruction pipeline than a piledriver core, by about double. The Haswell core has lower latency, higher bandwidth caching and memory controller, along with better branch prediction characteristics and far lower instruction prefix penalties.. Core count becomes irrelevant when the architectures are so vastly different. Most of the advancements in architecture design that are in Piledriver, can be found on core2 era CPU's from Intel.

A Haswell core is designed to perform up to 4 64 bit instructions per clock cycle, just like a PileDriver Core, the difference is that, while the entire PileDriver MODULE has 8 (4 per core) execution ports, Haswell has 8 execution ports in just 1 core. This combined with numerous architecture advancements means that the Haswell core actually achieves much closer to the theoretical "ideal" 4 instruction per cycle per core performance that is targeted. With twice the execution width as a PD core, it's no surprise that haswell is 80% faster clock for clock than PD when compared 1 thread per core vs 1 thread per module.

Further examination reveals that the scheduler that is shared between both cores in a PD module, is limited to 4 instructions per cycle. In other-words, the ENTIRE MODULE will always be throttled by the scheduler to the same targeted maximum instruction throughput of a Haswell CORE. Even though each PD core is designed to be able to execute up to 4 instructions per cycle, we still get +80% performance scaling going from 1 to 2 threads across the module. That's very telling, because it shows that AMD pretty well and knew that even with 4 execution ports per core, they would never actually achieve saturation even when the scheduler was only focused on feeding a single core of the module. The shared scheduler was actually a brilliant idea given the limitations of the execution pipeline they were implementing.


The FX-6300 has a lot of modern instruction capabilities and can be clocked pretty high. As such, it can be very competitive with similarly priced Intel products that come with locked multipliers. PD is a blast to performance tune and overclock if you are enthusiastic about this sort of thing, but having "6 cores" can only be compared and contrasted to other PileDriver chips in terms of core count.


So should you buy the FX-6300? I would say it depends. Do you want to performance tune a machine? Or plug-n-play? How loose is the budget and what sort of performance goals do you have in what games?

From a performance/$ perspective, the FX-6300 ($110-120) + UD3P/M5A97 R2.0 ($50-100) + ~$50-75 HSF is pretty competitive, performance and price wise, with an i5-4440/4570/E3-1220V3 ($180-200) + ~$70-100 B85/H87. The former requires performance tuning (a process that can take days or weeks of learning, experimentation, and testing, which can be a lot of fun), the later, is a plug-n-play option that just gives great performance out of the box. The proposed $110 FX-6300 + >$100 HSF starts to push the limits of where the FX-6300 can be competitive, because then you're barking at the price point of an E3-1230V3, which will perform better than the FX-6300@5ghz in any workload while using less than half the power.

If you are concerned about performance/$ on a 1080P gaming rig, my recommendation would be, to avoid spending any more than 1.5X as much on your GPU configuration, as you have spent on the CPU+HSF. That means GTX760 - R9 280 is about the high end limit for returns on value when paired with an FX-6300+HSF or i5-4440. The only reason to deviate from this ratio, would be if you are going to increase the resolution. At QD resolutions 1440/1600P, it would be sensible to increase the budget of the GPU to 2-3X as much as the CPU+HSF, because the pixel count has nearly doubled at that point. 4K roughly doubles that resolution again, and would warrant another increase in GPU budget to keep up.

I see you have a 144hz monitor picked out; Achieving ultra-high FPS requires lots of CPU performance. Minimum FPS is frequently set by CPU performance limitations. If the goal is to take advantage of the fancy monitor and do high FPS competitive gaming, then you're going to want the compute performance of an overclocked Haswell i5 or i7. I'm sorry AMD doesn't have anything that competes with that performance class in gaming overall.


I'll work on a build for you and see what we can eek out. Maybe use some combo specials and higher value parts to get an i5-4670K in there without breaking the bank.

Regards,
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Nice post mdocod!
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