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it will reduce the life of the CPU HOWEVER your water cooling it so it shouldn't be noticeable i would never take a 8350 NEVER AN AMD the 4670k is already faster that 4ghz is a number when its on an amd

if your water cooling the cpu its probably gonna be in the 60C which is more then healthy operating temperatures so its not gonna care much if its at 4.5 the time difference will be almost unnoticeable

once you overclock it once you wont need to overclock it again unless you want to improve there is no such thing as re-overclocking unless your that paranoid if you dont want to run it at 4.5 GHz 24/7 you can get a program called throttlestop and set profiles and tie them to hotkeys that way when you need the extra boost you press for example Alt-5 or when you want it off Alt-4, but again you CPU is water cooled it should have no problem at a higher clock rate


If I want a water cooler, then I have to change the CASE which is corsair 300R windowed.


Because, one said to me that this case doesn't fit h100i to the top. So, the windowed side of the case has place for two fans which is of course a place for h100i <<< I need to search for this in cooling forum !!


Then, you say that I set OCing config one time in boot menu, then every time I start the PC the speed is same. NOT go back to stock speed, that is nice ..



You set it in the bios or in a program called Intel extreme tuning utility.....you may revert to stock settings if you undo your changes their is not much reason to revert to stock settings however

Failures for overclocking is really low that being said its really hard to break an Intel CPU with all the sensors provided unless you go crazy and do like 8ghz it should be fine.

Try to find a case that will fit that watercooler....otherwise try at least to get a non-stock cooler and a very good cooling compound I personally use Prolimatech Pk-3. Works as well as Liquid ultra of course without the electrical conductivity risk

And if you go with both you combine PK3 WITH the water cooler it will keep it in the 40s

Pk-3 is the only paste I'd ever use on my alien its the only one that was able to hold the temps down when the voltage passed 1.3v on that laptop cooling system. I used to use IC Diamond but it couldn't hold it down at 1.3v so I was stuck at 4.5ghz....i haven't found a voltage that pk-3 couldn't hold down yet it still didn't budge at 1.4v so I don't know its limits but that's pretty high though. All the other alienware overclockers that overclock like me swapped to liquid ultra which keeps there temps down just as good but they have the added risk of if it touches anything it is a completely metal compound...it would fry the circuit....pk-3 will not conduct electricity and will preform actually better to some of the tests.

Hopefully you can fit that water cooler I think it fits in a 120mm slot which most 50$ cases have more then 4 of. Correct me if I'm wrong. I know my friends case has 2 at the top smile.gif his was a budget PC the thing is fitted with 4 corsair 120mm fans 1 in the back 1 at the bottom 2 at the top adjacent to each other....dont remember the model or if those too are intakes or exhausts

Now I remember the model its the thermaltech Dokker...im not a pro with cases will this one fit his 100i

Please be aware I know it says 1x200mm or 1x120mm at the top...but my friend and I have fit 2x 120mms up there using the holes if you need a picture of his for proof ill send it when I visit him next time (probably today around 5 mountain time cause he needs his overclock fixed the voltage is too low on his 3770k causing his system to crash)

It also has pipe holes for external liquid cooling systems




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Edited by Trickster29 - 4/17/14 at 7:04am
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OP, listen to me. THE 4670K WILL NOT BOTTLENECK YOUR GTX 770!. If my dads i7-930 doesnt bottleneck his @ a measly 3.4GHz overclock, your stock 4670k wont bottleneck your GTX 770. STOP WORRYING ABOUT IT!
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OP, listen to me. THE 4670K WILL NOT BOTTLENECK YOUR GTX 770!. If my dads i7-930 doesnt bottleneck his @ a measly 3.4GHz overclock, your stock 4670k wont bottleneck your GTX 770. STOP WORRYING ABOUT IT!


Ok maybe he's right.....maybe it only bottlenecks in bioshock infinite. Just give the build a try you always have the 30 day return if something isn't right and you always have the option to overclock if ADHD turns out wrong. Just pull the trigger.

While that is right theres no reason to worry as you can correct it later. But ADHD the 930 has HyperThreading the 4670k DOES NOT so your dad has an advantage in this situation so thats an unfair comparison. If you do a 32M CPU test 8 threads always is faster then 4 unless the clocks on the 4 are insane.

Anyways for most games the 4670k will do fine if it does bottleneck you can take it back and try a 4770k. Use your 30 day return as a free trial.





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Edited by Trickster29 - 4/17/14 at 10:09am
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OP, listen to me. THE 4670K WILL NOT BOTTLENECK YOUR GTX 770!. If my dads i7-930 doesnt bottleneck his @ a measly 3.4GHz overclock, your stock 4670k wont bottleneck your GTX 770. STOP WORRYING ABOUT IT!

+1.

I also recommend when you Overclock to use the Haswell overclocking guides here, there will be a lot of good info there, although it likely won't bottleneck anything even at stock as has been stated already. thumb.gif

I have played through Bioshock infinite twice on my 3570k at the time it was at 4.2 ghz. Once where I had to lower a couple of settings to maintain 60 FPS (I use Vsync) all the way on my old HD 7950 @ 1050 mhz core 1375 mem. Then I completed it a second time on my current EVGA GTX 780 (1123core,1502mem ) at Ultra everything maxed 1080p with no drops below 60 fps anywhere, I use Afterburner OSD when I game so I would know, no bottlenecks here. Just sharing my experience. smile.gif
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OP, listen to me. THE 4670K WILL NOT BOTTLENECK YOUR GTX 770!. If my dads i7-930 doesnt bottleneck his @ a measly 3.4GHz overclock, your stock 4670k wont bottleneck your GTX 770. STOP WORRYING ABOUT IT!

+1.

I also recommend when you Overclock to use the Haswell overclocking guides here, there will be a lot of good info there, although it likely won't bottleneck anything even at stock as has been stated already. thumb.gif

I have played through Bioshock infinite twice on my 3570k at the time it was at 4.2 ghz. Once where I had to lower a couple of settings to maintain 60 FPS (I use Vsync) all the way on my old HD 7950 @ 1050 mhz core 1375 mem. Then I completed it a second time on my current EVGA GTX 780 (1123core,1502mem ) at Ultra everything maxed 1080p with no drops below 60 fps anywhere, I use Afterburner OSD when I game so I would know, no bottlenecks here. Just sharing my experience. smile.gif


The step from ivy to haswell was unnoticeable actually alot of people back at the alien forum are disappointed the 4930MX uses 150w to do 4.5ghz with no gain vs the ivy at 4.5 with 110w so most likely he'll need to overclock it to 4.2 aswell. BUT that's only if he truly bottlenecks. I could be wrong I could be right.





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Edited by Trickster29 - 4/17/14 at 10:29am
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The step from ivy to haswell was unnoticeable actually alot of people back at the alien forum are disappointed the 4930MX uses 150w to do 4.5ghz with no gain vs the ivy at 4.5 with 110w so most likely he'll need to overclock it to 4.2 aswell





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Sorry to sound rude, but we arent talking about laptop processors. Latops get a completely different line of processors compared to PC. There is about a 3-5% difference between the comparable ivy and haswell chips in performance in the PC versions, which is actually quite a bit considering. Laptop processors are about 30% less powerful then their PC counterparts (AFAIK)
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The step from ivy to haswell was unnoticeable actually alot of people back at the alien forum are disappointed the 4930MX uses 150w to do 4.5ghz with no gain vs the ivy at 4.5 with 110w so most likely he'll need to overclock it to 4.2 aswell





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Sorry to sound rude, but we arent talking about laptop processors. Latops get a completely different line of processors compared to PC. There is about a 3-5% difference between the comparable ivy and haswell chips in performance in the PC versions, which is actually quite a bit considering. Laptop processors are about 30% less powerful then their PC counterparts (AFAIK)


I understand that, but if you think about it if your boss gave you a 3% raise you think it would make a difference in your everyday life? Probably not especially when your already struggling to begin with

A laptop is a PC.....a mac is not a PC.....a desktop is a PC...by saying they are 30% less powerful then there PC counterparts its creating an infinite loop.

Sorry but the correct term is desktop counterpart.

And knowing from experience my alien is about 5% slower then the counter part from a 2920xm so its also false

A stock 3770K scores ~9000 in a 3Dmark bench under physics score..mine does 8500 at stock on top of that that 3770k isn't even its counter part

Laptops vs desktops as long as the laptop is a desktop replacement its not true anymore

500 points in 3Dmark is like 1-2 fps difference





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Edited by Trickster29 - 4/17/14 at 11:15am
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why ?? he seems reasonable ..

It's based on nothing and isn't remotely proffesional. You can't just say 'Hurrr I no liek AMD hurr AMD's bad durrr dual core better than six core lolzzz'
 
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why ?? he seems reasonable ..

It's based on nothing and isn't remotely proffesional. You can't just say 'Hurrr I no liek AMD hurr AMD's bad durrr dual core better than six core lolzzz'


And I suppose your the greatest then? All you've done is moan and groan over that post make yourself useful and leave. Cause moaning and groaning ain't professional ethier. On top of that your ignorance just killed you. The Intel 4670k is a quad core not a duel. You don't even know what your saying. The duel core I was referring to a friends i3 vs a A4 quad in a hp.

Anyways ADHD I didn't mean to sound rude in the post above I was just stating my opinion and I respect yours







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Edited by Trickster29 - 4/17/14 at 11:34am
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http://www.techspot.com/review/655-bioshock-infinite-performance/page5.html




A quick Google for you.

You seem to be correct in games Haswell vs Ivy is almost identical as far as I can find:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7003/the-haswell-review-intel-core-i74770k-i54560k-tested/6

Just so that OP and anyone else looking for advice knows for sure.

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