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I looked for the paste ... which amount is enough 1.5g $7 or 5g $13.5 ?

of course, the OCing configs from booting, and with this paste and h100i it's possible to go with 4.8GHz


>>>> i actually liked corsair 300R windowed and Obsidian 350D, so if not the 300R then 350D thumb.gif


this is a very good demo for what i really was concerned about:

How to Install Corsair H100i Liquid cooler in a Corsair carbide 300R
not very bad .. he also said it's close to other parts is good to cool them too



here's a video for h100i installation to Obsadian 350D

they actually had to cancel the rear fan


>>> i personally prefer the 300R for front cooling, 350D also has front fan though.


now .. after searching i learned about more nice cases also from corsair, which is Obsidian 450D, more room than 350D


i still have interest to 300R because of the solution in the video .. anyway ..


And, yes please, provide me the picture of the case I want to learn about other experiences smile.gif

ill try my best to get the picture then smile.gif

it doesn't matter which amount of grams you get both are more then enough. i went with a 5g cause i wanted a lot available as extra but a 1.5 should last you a while you don't need a lot when pasting normally its a pea size dot or a line(1 to 2mms in thickness/width) ...there's plenty of methods of doing it smile.gif but all of them don't use much

you could probably go higher then my 4.8Ghz i mean mines a stock cooler provided by Alienware in all the m18x Laptops .
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There are people in this thread trying to imply that MORE RESOLUTION results in better CPU performance. It DOES NOT. DO NOT listen to these sudo-geeks-on-training-wheels. If the FPS is bad at a low resolution due to a poor performing CPU, it will only get worse at a higher resolution. Under no conditions can a CPU bottleneck that has been hidden under a GPU bottleneck that is even worse cause higher FPS.
No, performance scaling, is the observation of a performance DIFFERENCE when something about the hardware has been changed. If we overclock the CPU from 3.5ghz to 4.5ghz, and observe a 25% increase in minimum FPS, then we know that the workload is primarily CPU bound and responds to CPU performance improvements, this is known as performance scaling.

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Reading comprehension is very important.No were did I say you would get higher FPS. I was trying to convey the fact that at the intended reslotion,there is little difference,and you can search the net, there are a million benchmarks to prove this.Even when you take an Intel processor and clock it down by 2GHz you will not see much difference.There are many components in an online gaming rig.Many settings that can and will effect overall performance.In fact most multiplayer scenarios,the internet latency and performance for 60 people is the bottleneck. 7,200 RPM HDD's are the bottleneck,memory latency and speed are the bottleneck.You can pretend I'm a noob all you want,I have awards to prove my skill,not some "know it all " badge in my avatar. Carry on as you will.
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Reading comprehension is very important.No were did I say you would get higher FPS. I was trying to convey the fact that at the intended reslotion,there is little difference,and you can search the net, there are a million benchmarks to prove this.Even when you take an Intel processor and clock it down by 2GHz you will not see much difference.There are many components in an online gaming rig.Many settings that can and will effect overall performance.In fact most multiplayer scenarios,the internet latency and performance for 60 people is the bottleneck. 7,200 RPM HDD's are the bottleneck,memory latency and speed are the bottleneck.You can pretend I'm a noob all you want,I have awards to prove my skill,not some "know it all " badge in my avatar. Carry on as you will.

if you clock it down 2ghz it most certainly WILL be slower take my dads alien for instance it came factory underclocked it was slow as god...beyond usability it was clocked at 1.2Ghz vs its stock 2.3Ghz i undid the underclock and that thing went flying...your II 4.74Ghz overclock isn't impressive considering its a AMD so there is no locked multiplier meaning you raised the ratio and the FSB slightly, and its a duel core it takes no skill to overclock 2 cores and keep it stable UNLESS it is a locked processor, you may think your all that but if that duel core is your highest overclock. My quad core is already over it. on top of that mines stable on a laptop -.- were not pretending, you have no proof to back you up that your not a noob

and that 960T may be 4.6 but everyone has 4.5Ghz back on the forum i come from nothing impressive.

Here is an example of how slow it was at 1.2GHz
you'd have to wait a whole 30 seconds to get the system information
2 mins for internet exploder
1.5 mins for firefox

once you reverse that underclock
its 10 seconds for System
30 Seconds for IE
15 Seconds for FF

the thing at 1.2GHz was so slow it would lag playing youtube...
In Conclusion 2ghz does make a difference ESPECIALLY WHEN 1GHZ ALREADY DOES (1.2 vs 2.3)
Edited by Trickster29 - 4/18/14 at 10:20pm
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And I suppose your the greatest then? All you've done is moan and groan over that post make yourself useful and leave. Cause moaning and groaning ain't professional ethier. On top of that your ignorance just killed you. The Intel 4670k is a quad core not a duel. You don't even know what your saying. The duel core I was referring to a friends i3 vs a A4 quad in a hp.

Anyways ADHD I didn't mean to sound rude in the post above I was just stating my opinion and I respect yours







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I was referring to the i3, of course new desktop i5 isn't a dual core.

OP, and everyone else, listen up.

While the CPU DOES matter in gaming, it isn't significant. I can't wrap my head around people who are this autistic about 'MUH BOTTLENECK!!!111!!'

Listen. Yes, you'll gain a few more FPS with a brand spanking new socket 2011 six core i7, but real world performance won't even be that much different from a FX-6300. You WILL NOT notice the difference in performance 95% of the time in games.

My two cents, didn't check for spelling errors because I'm lazy and I just woke up.
 
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I was referring to the i3, of course new desktop i5 isn't a dual core.

OP, and everyone else, listen up.

While the CPU DOES matter in gaming, it isn't significant. I can't wrap my head around people who are this autistic about 'MUH BOTTLENECK!!!111!!'

Listen. Yes, you'll gain a few more FPS with a brand spanking new socket 2011 six core i7, but real world performance won't even be that much different from a FX-6300. You WILL NOT notice the difference in performance 95% of the time in games.

My two cents, didn't check for spelling errors because I'm lazy and I just woke up.

Depends on the type of game

If you love RTS/MMO or prefer performance over visual quality, you will likely want your budget shifted towards a great CPU. For an exact budget split, you need to look at individual titles - for approximate, it depends more on which genre's you like and where you sit on the "Performance<- - - - - - - - - ->Quality" line.

You can be defensive without insults, using caps, extreme examples and talking down to the thread as if they were 5 year olds kookoo.gif
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And I suppose your the greatest then? All you've done is moan and groan over that post make yourself useful and leave. Cause moaning and groaning ain't professional ethier. On top of that your ignorance just killed you. The Intel 4670k is a quad core not a duel. You don't even know what your saying. The duel core I was referring to a friends i3 vs a A4 quad in a hp.

Anyways ADHD I didn't mean to sound rude in the post above I was just stating my opinion and I respect yours







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I was referring to the i3, of course new desktop i5 isn't a dual core.

OP, and everyone else, listen up.

While the CPU DOES matter in gaming, it isn't significant. I can't wrap my head around people who are this autistic about 'MUH BOTTLENECK!!!111!!'

Listen. Yes, you'll gain a few more FPS with a brand spanking new socket 2011 six core i7, but real world performance won't even be that much different from a FX-6300. You WILL NOT notice the difference in performance 95% of the time in games.

My two cents, didn't check for spelling errors because I'm lazy and I just woke up.


Yes I know you were referring to the i3 but then you compared it to a 6 core when the a4 only has 4 cores and I was comparing it to an A4.
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It's based on nothing and isn't remotely proffesional. You can't just say 'Hurrr I no liek AMD hurr AMD's bad durrr dual core better than six core lolzzz'

Look front row seat for you VIP tickets, to see you were saying "I was comparing the i3 with 6 core" when I was really comparing it to a 4 core laptop a4 in a hp.
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I'd go with the Intel build just cause Intels tend to preform better....my friend has a quad core amd its always overheating with its apu anyways its slower then a i3 technically that quad core is gonna be better then the amd hex and more then likely run longer and cooler

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see quad core? there did that get through your skull or did it go in one side and fly out the other




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Reading comprehension is very important.No were did I say you would get higher FPS. I was trying to convey the fact that at the intended reslotion,there is little difference,and you can search the net, there are a million benchmarks to prove this.Even when you take an Intel processor and clock it down by 2GHz you will not see much difference.There are many components in an online gaming rig.Many settings that can and will effect overall performance.In fact most multiplayer scenarios,the internet latency and performance for 60 people is the bottleneck. 7,200 RPM HDD's are the bottleneck,memory latency and speed are the bottleneck.You can pretend I'm a noob all you want,I have awards to prove my skill,not some "know it all " badge in my avatar. Carry on as you will.

if you clock it down 2ghz it most certainly WILL be slower take my dads alien for instance it came factory underclocked it was slow as god...beyond usability it was clocked at 1.2Ghz vs its stock 2.3Ghz i undid the underclock and that thing went flying...your II 4.74Ghz overclock isn't impressive considering its a AMD so there is no locked multiplier meaning you raised the ratio and the FSB slightly, and its a duel core it takes no skill to overclock 2 cores and keep it stable UNLESS it is a locked processor, you may think your all that but if that duel core is your highest overclock. My quad core is already over it. on top of that mines stable on a laptop -.- were not pretending, you have no proof to back you up that your not a noob

and that 960T may be 4.6 but everyone has 4.5Ghz back on the forum i come from nothing impressive.

Here is an example of how slow it was at 1.2GHz
you'd have to wait a whole 30 seconds to get the system information
2 mins for internet exploder
1.5 mins for firefox

once you reverse that underclock
its 10 seconds for System
30 Seconds for IE
15 Seconds for FF

the thing at 1.2GHz was so slow it would lag playing youtube...
In Conclusion 2ghz does make a difference ESPECIALLY WHEN 1GHZ ALREADY DOES (1.2 vs 2.3)

I think you better review a couple of things in this post smile.gif
What forum are you coming from? A 4.6ghz 960T X6 on water is pretty awesome if you ask me.
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There are dozens if not hundreds of examples of CPU performance charts that are GPU bound to a particular performance across all sorts of CPUs at all sorts of clock speeds. Something that many of these benchmarks share in common is that they are often UNDER 60FPS or performed in non-CPU bound conditions (single player, low unit count, etc) that are not applicable to real game-play conditions.

Competitive gaming enthusiasts will adjust visuals DOWN to get at least 60FPS at all times, Benchmarks that shows 10 different CPUs getting 40FPS on a GTX680 are useless to someone who wants minimum-60FPS all the time.


When we look at a benchmark that has purposely exposed the CPU bottleneck by turning down the resolution to 1024X768, the 125FPS on the FX chip vs the 200FPS on the Haswell chip are in fact important numbers, because they paint the picture of the gap in performance that will show up in real-world conditions with higher CPU load. We can temporarily hide that difference in CPU performance under a GPU bottleneck by turning up the visual quality until both machines are at 90FPS with the same settings for the benchmark. That's fine right up to the point where the haswell chip dips to 60FPS in that same game engine in real-world game-play at "normal" resolution/visuals setting due to a CPU bound condition that didn't occur in the low-unit-count benchmark. That 60FPS dip on the Haswell, is 35FPS on the FX chip.

Next time someone tells you that those low resolution benchmarks that lift the curtain off of the CPU bottleneck are meaningless, think twice. Just because nobody games at the resolution used to expose the CPU bottleneck and compare the difference doesn't mean that the performance difference stays under the GPU bottleneck curtain in real game-play.
     
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There are dozens if not hundreds of examples of CPU performance charts that are GPU bound to a particular performance across all sorts of CPUs at all sorts of clock speeds. Something that many of these benchmarks share in common is that they are often UNDER 60FPS or performed in non-CPU bound conditions (single player, low unit count, etc) that are not applicable to real game-play conditions.

Competitive gaming enthusiasts will adjust visuals DOWN to get at least 60FPS at all times, Benchmarks that shows 10 different CPUs getting 40FPS on a GTX680 are useless to someone who wants minimum-60FPS all the time.


When we look at a benchmark that has purposely exposed the CPU bottleneck by turning down the resolution to 1024X768, the 125FPS on the FX chip vs the 200FPS on the Haswell chip are in fact important numbers, because they paint the picture of the gap in performance that will show up in real-world conditions with higher CPU load. We can temporarily hide that difference in CPU performance under a GPU bottleneck by turning up the visual quality until both machines are at 90FPS with the same settings for the benchmark. That's fine right up to the point where the haswell chip dips to 60FPS in that same game engine in real-world game-play at "normal" resolution/visuals setting due to a CPU bound condition that didn't occur in the low-unit-count benchmark. That 60FPS dip on the Haswell, is 35FPS on the FX chip.

Next time someone tells you that those low resolution benchmarks that lift the curtain off of the CPU bottleneck are meaningless, think twice. Just because nobody games at the resolution used to expose the CPU bottleneck and compare the difference doesn't mean that the performance difference stays under the GPU bottleneck curtain in real game-play.


Again,when you set the resolution to the actual resolution most will be using,little difference. Sure,there is some situations were the improved cpu performance will matter,no doubt. There is also many more situations were improved GPU performance will matter too. My contention is that the compared systems at the actual usage resolution will receive more benefit from increased GPU performance than the system with lower GPU/,higher CPU performance.

So in essence,yes a Ferrari will perform better than a Honda in speed,but the Honda will perform much better as a transportation vehicle for day to day use.
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The problem with that approach, is that FPS that is limited by GPU performance can be adjusted up and down at the flip of a few switches. A $100 GPU can play any game at 60FPS. It's been demonstrated that even many iGPUs (A10) can play most games at 30-60FPS depending on settings. On the other hand, FPS minimums caused by CPU performance limitations can not be mitigated by flipping a few switches. They will be a problem regardless of what GPU is in play. The ONLY solution to poor performance caused by the CPU is a stronger CPU.

If you're playing the game to look at the eye candy and crank everything to the max, then you're probably not really there to play the game, so much as you are there to appreciate the novelty of where real-time rendering and visuals are at in 2014. If you're a competitive gamer, chances are you're going to turn off a lot of that great looking eye candy so that you get the drop on the opponent and let them watch their head explode in ultra-detail settings.

Perhaps the biggest misunderstanding is where we are in terms of GPU performance today, compared to GPU performance a few years ago, and how that contrasts with where CPU performance was a few years ago, compared to CPU performance today. A dollar on a GPU today, buys something about twice as fast as a dollar from the VLIW era. The problem is that, a PileDriver core, is NOT twice as fast as the stars cores they replaced from that same time period, yet most games are still based on the same APIs as they were then. Recommending a PD chip with a middle-upper tier GPU today, would be like pairing a propus (or worse) with a GTX480 a few years ago. Pointless.

On the flip side, a dollar today on an Intel chip, does buy *nearly* double the performance per core as it did back in that core2/k10/VLIW/Fermi era. If you're going to buy into a "modern" GPU with twice as much performance as GPUs from 3--5 years ago, then it only makes sense to buy into a "modern" CPU with twice as much performance per core as a CPU from 3-5 years ago. PD is only that CPU in fringe workloads. Haswell delivers that performance improvement in ALL workloads.

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Reading comprehension is very important.No were did I say you would get higher FPS.

Reading comprehension is very important. No where did I say that you said that. HA
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