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Couldn't really find any combo specials to improve on value, but here's an i5 build that supports SLI and CPU overclocking on a fantastic quality motherboard for only about $50 more.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Titan TTC-NK85TZ/CS2 66.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($48.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($309.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VG278HE 144Hz 27.0" Monitor ($372.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($36.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Speakers: Logitech Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers ($69.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1481.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-08 22:33 EDT-0400)

I tried to cover the original parts list. Let me know if I missed anything. I sort of went for a yellow/gold/orange theme with the motherboard/HSF/RAM but that can be changed wink.gif

If you can stretch the budget. Upgrade to the 4GB version of the GTX770 (add about $50-60) and pick up a 240GB SSD like the M500 for about $120.

If you live near a MicroCenter you can get the i5-4670K for $190 and it is available in several Combos with nice SLI supporting Z87 boards with $50 off for the combo, that could cut the i5 build by ~$100 compared to ordering elsewhere.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 example 60usd total for single 770



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182071

13usd cheaper and will handle 2x770 @1.212v + 4670k OC


edit: Oops, shilka posted. Probably better recommendations than me thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Slink3Slyde View Post

I don't even want to open that can of worms. wink.gif Lets just say that either CPU will be good enough for 90% of games.

EDIT: Let me restate a bit. Intel may be better in a few choice games, but AMD will still play them just fine as well AFAIK.


i decided to go with the 4670k .. that's it

no more concerns and considerations about AMD, I would buy one later if i'm so passionate about it
post #24 of 216
you are going nvidia way as i can see, i would suggest you taking i7 with hyperthreading due to nice improvements on new drivers with hyperthreading.
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Hi .. mdocod 
Thanks for advanced info about Haswell architecture and its comparison with AMD. Lower latency and higher bandwidth, exciting, so these are the features which progressing intel more; like 4670k is very effective single threaded quad core CPU.
Yea I saw FX 6300 with 770 playing BF4 very good, except I saw little distorting with crisis 3 on ultra and that was pretty good performance.
1. Yes, I want to tune the machine, I even liked the ASUS OC features while you’re running the machine, instead of config it from the boot settings. I want to know if MSI gaming motherboards have this feature.
2. The budget with my latest list with most set I like, which has 4670k, GTX 770, H100i cooler because the weather is tropical, WD 1TB blue, VG278HE, Keybord and EVGA PSU 750W. And those parts for $1600 with fractions of a dollar 
3. I don’t know how games perform with 3.4GHz as the 4670k stock speed or with OC to 4GHz, so I really like to experience of OCing, and I learned the GPU is more important in that regard; like BF4, BF3 and older versions, crisis 3, COD BO II, and many wink.gif
For performance/$, these recommendations are helpful for my list in the intro of this thread. And that’s with the CPU and the motherboard, the rest costs a lot more. So I decided to buy the 4670k and then if I discovered more OCing obsessions then my next choices are the FX-6300 and 8350.
Intel Xeon!! I think these CPUs for high performance PCs or workstations. It is similar to 4670k, don’t you think?
Yeah, I’m concerned to play 1080p 144Hz which is VG278HE, I’m sure the 4670k is very good for my budget.
Increasing the resolution is related issue if I decided to buy Qnix, and I learned it OC good, except it may has stuttering or lag at high refresh rates, as I understood, I’m not sure about this info though.
So, you think 6300 and 760 is enough for VG278HE? And as you said I want to take advantage of the fancy monitor, hopefully so.
Why? AMD are very good IMO and as many videos I saw for 6300 and 8350 are so fast CPUs with very high clock speeds.

Hey thanks Eric … that’s very nice 
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why air cooling ? i live in tropical region, and i like water cooling .. it seems cool device smile.gif

i'v been told .. to get evga +80 gold 750W for $119

even over seasonic which i thought it's one of the best

also why you chose ASUS, what about MSI i liked that motherboard, because it has killer E2200 for more less ping in gaming

does ASUS support that feature?

you know i want to look more about the motherboard, mainly i want the MSI, just want to check differences between the MSI and ASUS
post #27 of 216
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Originally Posted by Cyro999 View Post

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 example 60usd total for single 770



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182071

13usd cheaper and will handle 2x770 @1.212v + 4670k OC


edit: Oops, shilka posted. Probably better recommendations than me thumb.gif


well newegg is more expensive than pcpartpicker smile.gif
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Originally Posted by itcharzherp View Post

Hi .. mdocod 
Thanks for advanced info about Haswell architecture and its comparison with AMD. Lower latency and higher bandwidth, exciting, so these are the features which progressing intel more; like 4670k is very effective single threaded quad core CPU.
Yea I saw FX 6300 with 770 playing BF4 very good, except I saw little distorting with crisis 3 on ultra and that was pretty good performance.
1. Yes, I want to tune the machine, I even liked the ASUS OC features while you’re running the machine, instead of config it from the boot settings. I want to know if MSI gaming motherboards have this feature.

Almost every performance class motherboard advertises the ability to performance tune from the desktop rather than from the UEFI. It is generally considered to be a buggy, less refined approach to overclocking and most folks here wouldn't recommend it. UEFI BIOS these days is very clean and well organized. Just read the manual and a few OCing guides and you'll have no problem learning to overclock from BIOS.
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3. I don’t know how games perform with 3.4GHz as the 4670k stock speed or with OC to 4GHz, so I really like to experience of OCing, and I learned the GPU is more important in that regard; like BF4, BF3 and older versions, crisis 3, COD BO II, and many wink.gif

In CPU intensive games, overclocking to ~4.5ghz will improve minimum FPS by 20-50%+.
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Intel Xeon!! I think these CPUs for high performance PCs or workstations. It is similar to 4670k, don’t you think?
The E3 series are the exact same chips as the desktop CORE series. They are just marketed differently. Depending on budget they can be very cost effective but they are locked chips, no overclocking.
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Yeah, I’m concerned to play 1080p 144Hz which is VG278HE, I’m sure the 4670k is very good for my budget.
Increasing the resolution is related issue if I decided to buy Qnix, and I learned it OC good, except it may has stuttering or lag at high refresh rates, as I understood, I’m not sure about this info though.

I'm not familiar with overclocking monitors but there are entire websites dedicated to the cause that may be worth a look. I think if it were me I would just buy the 144hz Asus and be done with it.
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So, you think 6300 and 760 is enough for VG278HE? And as you said I want to take advantage of the fancy monitor, hopefully so.

No, I think that the FX-6300 overclocked with a GTX760 would be great for most 60hz gaming, but will run out of steam trying to push 100+FPS on the fancy monitor.
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Why? AMD are very good IMO and as many videos I saw for 6300 and 8350 are so fast CPUs with very high clock speeds.

Clock speeds are about as relevant as comparing engine RPM. The sporty Honda engine spins 8000RPM while the V8 in a Mercedes AMG S class stops at 6500RPM. Which has more power?

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why air cooling ? i live in tropical region, and i like water cooling .. it seems cool device smile.gif

A heatpipe cooler is still a form of liquid cooling. In a heatpipe cooler the liquid is under a vacuum, and has a low boiling point so pumps itself rather than requiring an actual pump. More importantly, heatpipe coolers and water loop coolers all use the ambient air to sink heat to. High ambient temps will have a negative effect on cooling regardless of the type of cooler.

There are some nice heatpipe coolers for half the price of nice AIO CLCs. It's just a way to save $50 so you can better afford the i5. The difference in cooling performance is unlikely to make a significant difference in overclocking on the i5 because they really top out ~140W. The 240mm rad is more like a 300W capable cooler and would be better suited to overclocking the much more power hungry FX chips.
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i'v been told .. to get evga +80 gold 750W for $119

The superflower made EVGA's are fantastic. The HX750 is decent and was on sale for less $$. Either way is great. It sounded to me like your big concern with the i5 was that it would cost more. I am simply showing ways to offset that cost with less expensive HSF/PSU.
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even over seasonic which i thought it's one of the best

All 3 are good. You can even go with a Rosewill capstone for even less, also a great PSU.
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also why you chose ASUS, what about MSI i liked that motherboard, because it has killer E2200 for more less ping in gaming

Total marketing silliness. The effect of your NIC on overall network latency when gaming is going to be less than 1%.
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does ASUS support that feature?

Almost every motherboard maker advertises a list of gimmicky performance enhancing bullcrap. Don't fall for it.
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you know i want to look more about the motherboard, mainly i want the MSI, just want to check differences between the MSI and ASUS

If you go on PCpartpicker, and sort out motherboards: check Z87 and 2-way SLI capable. Sort by price. You'll see a bunch of boards in the $100-150 range (and of course, a bunch more in the $150-400 range). Guess what? They are all pretty good. You can throw a dart, or pick based on looks/color if you want (yes you can really be that shallow with boards in this class and it will not have a significant impact on outcome). The MSI "gaming" boards are fantastic motherboards, as are the ASRock Fatal1ty boards. Try not to get too caught up in the various hype about this or that board. The manufactures have to make up long lists of nice sounding features to be competitive. In reality they are all just saying the same stuff with a different spin on the words.

One of the things that does differentiate a "gaming" board in some cases, is a nicer onboard audio controller. It won't make any useful difference on the cheap 5.1 system, but if you have a nice set of cans the nicer onboard audio might be noticeable to some discerning ears. The MSI/ASRock "Gaming/Fatal1ty" boards come with ALC1150, which is a bit more robust and has a lower noise floor than the ALC892 (and similar) found in most non-gaming boards under $150.
     
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why air cooling ? i live in tropical region, and i like water cooling .. it seems cool device smile.gif

i'v been told .. to get evga +80 gold 750W for $119

Air and water will both be 10c hotter if your room temperature is 10c hotter - closed loop liquid cooling isn't great, it's just an alternative to air - usually better for size, worse for noise if you're maxing their performance, and a bit better/worse cooling depending on the situation - but they can be expensive

custom loop water cooling is pretty much out of the question for value, if you're an enthusiast you can look into it and spend hundreds on it if you want


It's good PSU, but $110? Awful lot. A 4670k+770 will have gaming power consumption of like 300w, so it's quite wasteful if there are good PSU's at the $50-60 range. It seems quite expensive vs even many ~550-650w (appropriate for sli770+4670k) for differences that i don't think so many people honestly care about, most of the examples here are still better than the psu's in 95+% of gaming builds

quality is good, but if you're paying like $20 more, i'l question it a little
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Almost every performance class motherboard advertises the ability to performance tune from the desktop rather than from the UEFI. It is generally considered to be a buggy, less refined approach to overclocking and most folks here wouldn't recommend it. UEFI BIOS these days is very clean and well organized. Just read the manual and a few OCing guides and you'll have no problem learning to overclock from BIOS.

so OCing while you running windows is not practical?


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I'm not familiar with overclocking monitors but there are entire websites dedicated to the cause that may be worth a look. I think if it were me I would just buy the 144hz Asus and be done with it.

Yea, first i was attracted to Qnix for high resolution and OC feature

then i changed my mind to ASUS 144Hz, i hope it's very good thumb.gif
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Clock speeds are about as relevant as comparing engine RPM. The sporty Honda engine spins 8000RPM while the V8 in a Mercedes AMG S class stops at 6500RPM. Which has more power?

very nice example, i like cars too .. i also want to buy Japanese sport car; like SUBARU sti or ford focus RS which all i think are expensive and different story for the topic biggrin.gif
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A heatpipe cooler is still a form of liquid cooling. In a heatpipe cooler the liquid is under a vacuum, and has a low boiling point so pumps itself rather than requiring an actual pump. More importantly, heatpipe coolers and water loop coolers all use the ambient air to sink heat to. High ambient temps will have a negative effect on cooling regardless of the type of cooler.

so this is very serious one

because I'm thinking h100i is very popular one for haswell

is not h100i more reliable for OCing? because THE CPU is OCed for many hours.
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There are some nice heatpipe coolers for half the price of nice AIO CLCs. It's just a way to save $50 so you can better afford the i5. The difference in cooling performance is unlikely to make a significant difference in overclocking on the i5 because they really top out ~140W. The 240mm rad is more like a 300W capable cooler and would be better suited to overclocking the much more power hungry FX chips.

I see, i like the Noctua NH-D14, it's very popular in pcpartpicker, if i want to go with air cooling.
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The superflower made EVGA's are fantastic. The HX750 is decent and was on sale for less $$. Either way is great. It sounded to me like your big concern with the i5 was that it would cost more. I am simply showing ways to offset that cost with less expensive HSF/PSU.

I'm now between seasonic and evga 850W GOLD effeciency

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Total marketing silliness. The effect of your NIC on overall network latency when gaming is going to be less than 1%.

I want to enhance my ping the best is available, because i'm not in USA, i'm in the middle between ASIA AND AFRICA. so the ping was not good even in the capital where i was for year.

Now i have new quick net version which support 4G tech, I don't know how's the ping in MP games in the current city
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Almost every motherboard maker advertises a list of gimmicky performance enhancing bullcrap. Don't fall for it.

also with the motherboard i'm between two brands, ASUS or MSI

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If you go on PCpartpicker, and sort out motherboards: check Z87 and 2-way SLI capable. Sort by price. You'll see a bunch of boards in the $100-150 range (and of course, a bunch more in the $150-400 range). Guess what? They are all pretty good. You can throw a dart, or pick based on looks/color if you want (yes you can really be that shallow with boards in this class and it will not have a significant impact on outcome). The MSI "gaming" boards are fantastic motherboards, as are the ASRock Fatal1ty boards. Try not to get too caught up in the various hype about this or that board. The manufactures have to make up long lists of nice sounding features to be competitive. In reality they are all just saying the same stuff with a different spin on the words.


MSI Z87 MPOWER
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z87mpower


MSI Z87 MPOWER Max
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z87mpowermax


MSI Z87-G45 Gaming
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z87g45gaming


MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z87gd65gaming


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One of the things that does differentiate a "gaming" board in some cases, is a nicer onboard audio controller. It won't make any useful difference on the cheap 5.1 system, but if you have a nice set of cans the nicer onboard audio might be noticeable to some discerning ears. The MSI/ASRock "Gaming/Fatal1ty" boards come with ALC1150, which is a bit more robust and has a lower noise floor than the ALC892 (and similar) found in most non-gaming boards under $150.

OK .. so you recommend MSI gaming series thumb.gif
Edited by itcharzherp - 4/9/14 at 10:58am
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