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You can either ask or look yourself at my threads

http://www.overclock.net/t/1431929/psu-index-thread

There is a lot that i dont have threads on so if you want to find review for some of that then look here

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page5471.htm


hey .. you did a lot of threads about PSUs

I would go with your first advice without more searching thumb.gif

thanks ..
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A CLC maybe.

A custom water loop, like i said which is out of the question for value, requires you to individually buy a CPU block, tubing, a pump, a radiator, fittings, etc. For a sizable perf gain over say a h100i, you'd probably want a >240mm rad, too - so all of that for $100 probably wont happen


OK .. I understand your point about custom cooling

yea .. that's a lot of set

of course that's out of the question set wink.gif


well .. i'm really in between Noctua D14 or h100i
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I'll contribute my bit here, if you're concerned about CPU bottle-necking the GPU then let me tell you that bottlenecks are usually magnified at lower resolutions like 1680x1050 or 1920x1080 (yeah fHD is a low resolution according to me since we have a lot of 1440p/2160p monitors hanging around). Today's GPU's target 1440p and 2160p gaming and at that resolution bottle-necking, although present, but the difference is negligible. Like if a 4770k and 8350 are gaming on 1080p they'll have a noticeable difference in frame-rates due to magnified bottleneck but as you turn up the resolution to 1440p the difference starts to diminish to like 2-4 fps at max (there is always an exception of "some" games, plz don't give benchmarks to prove me wrong, gaming bottleneck has nothing to do with graphics/3D benchmarks) and at 4k....you only need a beastly GPU and 8350 does good at higher resolutions
    
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and at 4k....you only need a beastly GPU and 8350 does good at higher resolutions

It doesn't do good, it's just that..

If you're capable of 80fps on CPU and your GPU can do 150fps at 1080p, you'll only get 80fps, limited to almost half performance by cpu

if the same gpu can only run 40fps at 4k, weaker cpu's can handle that lower FPS fine so you are limited by your GPU being overwhelmed
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I'll contribute my bit here, if you're concerned about CPU bottle-necking the GPU then let me tell you that bottlenecks are usually magnified at lower resolutions like 1680x1050 or 1920x1080 (yeah fHD is a low resolution according to me since we have a lot of 1440p/2160p monitors hanging around). Today's GPU's target 1440p and 2160p gaming and at that resolution bottle-necking, although present, but the difference is negligible. Like if a 4770k and 8350 are gaming on 1080p they'll have a noticeable difference in frame-rates due to magnified bottleneck but as you turn up the resolution to 1440p the difference starts to diminish to like 2-4 fps at max (there is always an exception of "some" games, plz don't give benchmarks to prove me wrong, gaming bottleneck has nothing to do with graphics/3D benchmarks) and at 4k....you only need a beastly GPU and 8350 does good at higher resolutions

If the CPU is the bottleneck and the FPS is already lower than desired at 1080P, then going to 1440P, or 1600P, or 4K won't solve that. The CPU bottleneck can be a problem at any resolution if the goal is ultra-high FPS. More resolution only shifts the bottleneck and causes LOWER FPS. That's not a solution, that's an AMD marketing department strategy to cover up the gap in CPU performance under a GPU bottleneck. We expect that sort of thing from a marketing department, when it is repeated on forums by people who are aren't being paid by AMD (right?), it means that their marketing actually worked. Sad.
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OK .. I understand your point about custom cooling

yea .. that's a lot of set

of course that's out of the question set wink.gif


well .. i'm really in between Noctua D14 or h100i

There is a Noctua NH-D15 on the way


Edited by shilka - 4/10/14 at 3:09am
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You'll run windows and games WHILE overclocked, but you shouldn't plan on performing the overclock from a Windows program. Any decent overclocking board will have a performance tuning tab in BIOS. DO your performance tuning there.


this what i found with quickly search


it seems nice,, with regard to boys experiences which i don't know about

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It is, but it's also overkill. Overkill is fine if you don't mind spending the extra money. With high ambient it may be helpful but I doubt there will be more than a 100mhz difference in your maximum stable OC between the H100i and something like a CM 212 EVO. You're only going to have to dissipate like 100-120W from the chip itself, which is not a significant challenge. The H100i is good for double that or more.

i'm really thinking between air and water .. i didn't decide yet which one to go with. though i think air is enough

with Noctua or cooler master 212 EVO


if the issue is money then the cost for the set is $1500, so it doesn't the cooling difference in price

i want to best cooling for my situation

i thought to buy Noctua or 212 EVO ... and if these are not satisfying, then i order a water cooling

or you mean the noise because that would be an issue !!

the air cooling is much low in noise smile.gif hmm

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The CPU only runs at peak power when under peak load. Under most conditions it runs at a fraction of peak power dissipation. As long as your overclock is done with voltage and maximum temps inside specified maximums the CPU is going to be fine for YEARS while overclocked. The H100i will fail long before the CPU will.

Yea, of course .. that's i believe with the turbo boost for 4670k is OK with air cooling and pretty good.

Even, if you OC to higher speeds, 4.2, 4.4 GHz are suitable for air cooling

I understood that 4.6 or 4.8 GHz need water cooling

So what would require me to OC to over 4.6 GHz? ... i don't know >> that's why I chose the h100i

isn't that a convenience choice?

Or air cooler is fine for 4.4 GHz max!!


I don't think that i need to OC to OVER this speed.


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Yep, or the Theralright Silver Arrow, or even the Zalman CNPS 9900 MAX or CNPS14X (both ~$50).

I think i saw silver arrow in linus tech tips video, it looks nice ..


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Technically speaking, you could run the overclocked i5, and 2xGTX770's both overclocked on stock BIOS/voltage, all on a 650W PSU. I think that 750W is the smart size for this build provided the GPUs are going to remain under their own stock cooling. The GPUs are going to be thermally limited with your high ambient anyway so will rarely be able to run over 200W each even if you overclock them (they will just throttle back down). Unless you're planning on putting the GPUs under water blocks and a custom water loop, there isn't much need to go over 750W, as that will still give you huge headroom. (200W+ most of the time)



http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1840699/watts-4670k-770-sli.html


here i got the idea of 850W

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There's nothing a NIC on your end can do to solve the latency issues of living in afrasiastan. Trust me, it will not help. The problem is the dozens of routers between you and the servers you are ultimately connecting to, your NIC can't force those routers/switches to reduce latency. It is what it is.

yea .. that's for sure .. i know because servers are far away

i tested it in speedtest.net with the new broadband router with 3G and I got now 94ms !!

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Ping time will always be bad if you're connecting with a cell phone to the internet.

it's not cellphone!! it's broadband router

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MSI, Asus, ASRock, and Gigabyte all make fantastic Z87 boards.

yea, i would go with the MSI

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MSI gaming boards are great. I'm not saying they are necessarily better than the alternatives. I think the ASRock Extreme6 and GIGABYTE G1.Sniper Z87 are very good competition for the MSI gaming boards. The Sniper even has that gimmicky NIC you're after wink.gif . The inexpensive ASRock Fatal1ty Z87 Killer has that "killer" NIC as well and great on-board sound.

ASRock Z87 Extreme4 is for $115

GIGABYTE G1 is pretty expensive $240

ASRock Fatal1ty Z87 Killer for $100

I like the MSI more though thumb.gif



sooo i'm excited to order the parts ... except some parts had increased in price

i don't know what to do

and there are problems in pcpartpicker website .. i can't save the list

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(on a funny note, can you imagine trying to sell a motherboard named "fatal1ty killer" to a professional client? Talk about bringing an end to all professionalism, lol.)


hhhahahaha biggrin.gif

that's why i didn't like that motherboard wink.gif
Edited by itcharzherp - 4/10/14 at 9:11am
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it's for $100


same as h100i price
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A CLC maybe.

A custom water loop, like i said which is out of the question for value, requires you to individually buy a CPU block, tubing, a pump, a radiator, fittings, etc. For a sizable perf gain over say a h100i, you'd probably want a >240mm rad, too - so all of that for $100 probably wont happen

you are right ..

i saw a benchmark that air cooling is very near to water cooling

thanks for the advices thumb.gif

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There is a Noctua NH-D15 on the way




i think to wait is better

i thought about NH-D14

and there's a problem with RAMs so .. waiting is better ..
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Hi again smile.gif

Top of the air coolers are Noctua NH D14, Noctua NH U14s, Phanteks PH-TC14PE, ThermalRight Silver Arrows SB-e and IB-e (i would avoid the Extreme versions they have really loud fans), Cryorig R1 ultimate and R1 Universal, Akasa Venom Medusa, Be Quiet Dark Rock pro 2/3. They all perform approximately the same and you won't get a better overclock on one or the other. If you go big air then any of these is a good choice thumb.gif

The Hyper Evo 212 will probably get a couple hundred mhz less overclock just to put things in perspective.


Which one you choose depends on the height of tower your case can take, what RAM you use, I.e tall heat spreaders, and the placement of your first PCI-e slot. Pick whichever one fits best, is cheapest where you are, or which looks the best to you wink.gif


The H100i and other 240 rad AIO water coolers just about beat the big air coolers by a few degrees c, however it does this at the cost of sounding like a jet plane taking off. If you lower there fans to reasonable levels of sound they perform about the same as top air coolers, the big air coolers are quieter though.


The H100i is more plug and play however they are supposed to be set up so that the air intakes from outside which dumps the heated air in your case which then adds extra heat to GPU's and mobo etc. If you have the AIO exhausting it will be taking in heated air from the other components and so will have the opposite affect on your CPU.

Conversely Big air coolers will also drag the heated air from your GPU(s) into the heatsink and so raise temps a little if you don't think about your case airflow a little bit. I would say big air is better because its very quiet under load but takes a little more thought with regards as to how you get fresh cool air to the cooler. But then again I'm a bit of a geek about my airflow biggrin.gif

If you just want to plug and play I would go H100i, but keep an eye on your temps for a while just to be sure your not overheating your mobo and GPU to much, a lot of people have AIO's now the risk can't be that bad smile.gif
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