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Originally Posted by mdocod View Post

Seems to me like if you're going to have to spend $200 for the FX-8350, and $100+ for a new PSU, and $100 for an H100i, then you're into this for $400 to be able to take advantage of the new CPU and GPU.

By switching platforms now, you will reduce your CPU power consumption about 150W compared to an OCed FX-8350, which saves you the bother of upgrading the PSU and HSF. That $200 saved is enough to get into an i5-4670K or even perhaps i7-4770K (when combined with the $200 you were going to have to spend on the FX-8350 anyway), either of which are substantially better for driving a high end SLI/CFX GPU configuration.


Some technical jargon to think about:

A Haswell core, has 8 execution ports and supports up to 4 instructions per cycle.
A PileDriver module, has 8 execution ports split across 2 cores, and supports up to 4 instructions per cycle, but execution is limited to a maximum 66% of that when there is only 1 thread running on the module.

A Haswell core has access to similar instruction execution resources as TWO PD cores combined, and the haswell core is strapped to a more sophisticated memory controller and faster, lower latency caching and an overall architecture that has been refined to have lower throughput penalties for execution prefixes, misalignment's, and branch mis-predictions.

The result of all of this is about 80% higher IPC on a haswell core vs a pile-driver module when compared 1 thread per core vs 1 thread per module. This performance differential has the most significant effect on real-time workloads like gaming, especially on holding up minimum FPS in compute intensive situations (high unit count).

If I were in your position and concerned primarily with performance for the money, about to drop $400+ for an FX-8350+HSF+PSU upgrade, I would buy an i5-4670K/4770K + MOBO instead, and just use the PSU/HSF you've already got. The reduced dissipation of the haswell effectively pays for your motherboard in this upgrade.

Hmm.... I havent considered upgrading the MOBO till you hit me with that info. So, if i just grab me up a new MOBO(I dont have the first clue when it comes to Intel MOBOs) and an i5-4770k I can keep my current H80 and PSU AND throw in an additional 7970 with OC potential without problems? Interesting.

What MOBO would you recommend in that price range?
post #12 of 26
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Hmm.... I havent considered upgrading the MOBO till you hit me with that info. So, if i just grab me up a new MOBO(I dont have the first clue when it comes to Intel MOBOs) and an i5-4770k I can keep my current H80 and PSU AND throw in an additional 7970 with OC potential without problems? Interesting.

What MOBO would you recommend in that price range?

md has a point but if you really want to change platform . . . i recommend an i7.
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md has a point but if you really want to change platform . . . i recommend an i7.

I really didnt want to change platforms, just upgrade on the current one. I always have been an AMD fanboy. Just am interested in all options for the upgrade. Its intriguing, especially the bit about Intel being "substantially better for driving a high end SLI/CFX GPU configuration".
Edited by DreamScar - 4/9/14 at 9:44am
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Hmm.... I havent considered upgrading the MOBO till you hit me with that info. So, if i just grab me up a new MOBO(I dont have the first clue when it comes to Intel MOBOs) and an i5-4770k I can keep my current H80 and PSU AND throw in an additional 7970 with OC potential without problems? Interesting.

OCing on PD/BD 8 core chips requires 200-250+W at the chip to push far, which means 250-300+W after VRM losses. Combine that with a pair of HD7970s that can can be 250-300W peak power consumption when overclocked, and the 750W PSU does start to look like it is up against a tough battle if you run a stress test on the machine.

An overclocked haswell i7, is only about ~110W at the chip, or ~140W total dissipation with VRM losses. The difference is pretty enormous and could certainly "buy" you back into your current PSU, as long as it's a decent unit with the connectivity you need for the 2 GPUs.
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What MOBO would you recommend in that price range?

All of the following are pretty good and under $150, some as low as ~$100. These all have 8X8X 3.0 PCIE slot configurations for good dual card support and are Z87 chipsets for overclocking. Feature wise they are more similar than different but you may want to look at the differences in things like onboard sound quality (the gaming boards have nicer onboard sound, which could make a minor difference if you have a nice set of cans to listen to). Beyond some of the minor nuances which won't effect most people (variations in headers etc), you could probably pick based on color scheme without much downside.

ASRock Fatal1ty Z87 Killer
MSI Z87-G55
ASRock Z87 Extreme4
Gigabyte GA-Z87X-HD3
Asus Z87-A
ASRock Z87 Extreme6
MSI Z87-G45 Gaming
Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H
Asus Z87-A
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post #15 of 26
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Thank you for the suggestions. It seems that for my current gaming needs, a new MOBO with an i7 may be the best choice. That would save me the hassle of re-configuring my fan setup.

Do you feel that my current RAM(16gb Corsair Vengeance 1866) would be just fine?
Edited by DreamScar - 4/9/14 at 2:53pm
post #16 of 26
Your RAM will be just fine in the new build.

Whether you go with the i5-4670K or i7-4770K you'll probably be very happy with the performance either way. In most gaming workloads either is about twice as fast as zambezi clock for clock.

The difference is hyper-threading, which can be best described as feeding 1 core with 2 threads to achieve better resource saturation when the workloads are parallel enough to take advantage. The i5 can only work on 1 thread at a time per core on any given cycle, but still has access to the full 8 execution ports per core, just like the i7. The important difference is that, with hyper-threading enabled, work can be fed to both the instruction pipelines and FPU at the same time, which can increase performance in multi-threaded mixed workloads by up to ~30%.
     
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post #17 of 26
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What about the new upcoming Intel Chips such as the 4790k. They are supposed to be dropping in May correct? Would I be wise to wait on them? I know they may be far out of my price range once they drop but possibly achieving 5ghz is intriguing.
post #18 of 26
Hswell refresh could make a difference only in cooling efficiency between the die and the ihs...mayne they can solder the ihs to the pcb or not..if you dont want to delid your cpu I would keep the eye on haswell refresh.

For the gpu..keep what you have and buy a pirate island gpu which is coming to late 2014

And a r9 370x should be perform as a r9 280x more or less
post #19 of 26
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Ive decided on getting an R9 280s as opposed to a 7970. I know they will crossfire together and there is nothing better than getting the new model.
post #20 of 26
A r9 280 is a hd 7950.and it`s waste of money for 1920x1080 if you could buy a pirate island gpu soon
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