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Meanwhile ISPs will still throttle your bandwidth when you are streaming movies, goodluck watching 4k with that.
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Originally Posted by ghostrider85 View Post

Meanwhile ISPs will still throttle your bandwidth when you are streaming movies, goodluck watching 4k with that.

whats even more criminal is that, isps who have an open content delivery system from netflix are still charging for bandwidth used just to send it to your house.

all the while your digital cable does the exact same thing un-metered.
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Impressive but i'd rather just torrent it tongue.gif
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Maybe in 10 years, when American ISPs are out of the stone ages, we can actually think about possibly using this. With a 250GB/Month cap, I already have a hard enough time staying under that @720p. Not to mention the horrible speed and reliability of the ISPs here. Very few would even be capable of streaming 4k without buffering constantly.
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I'm still stuck with buggy 720p/low bitrate stereo audio on the Netflix web player... And TVs get 4k? WHY frown.gif
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Just as has been discussed (as per the Vsauce episode on resolution)...


Ugh, he brought up some interesting information, but still missed the boat.

It seems like there's a segment of the population that views it as a tragedy that they can't distinguish between individual pixels on their TV, as though they think that being able to see each one individually is what they paid for, when really sitting "too far away" is necessary to ensure that the information collecting ability of your eye, the most important thing in this whole situation, is actually saturated.
You want to sit "too far" away for the most realistic image.
Next is the bogus numbers that people throw around for that limit. I've done my own tests with my own eyes and 100DPI at 9 feet doesn't sound unreasonable (I'm somewhere between 20-20 and 20-15, just above average, and that was confirmed with a driver's exam a few weeks ago). My test was for the highest contrast situation I could come up with, which at first may sound biased, but do you actually want a screen that you know is not good enough under ideal conditions? Not to mention that's just where pixels start to blur together, with the maximum possible usable distance going out to 18 feet.
In other words, people should just use their TV like normal, the main reason people like having a bigger TV is the extra immersion from taking up a larger FOV, which would be no more useful now than it was before.
Thankfully we're actually getting demo units set up for people to look at and decide for themselves rather than using a bunch of useless figures from people trying to push an (anti-4K) agenda.

I can definitely agree that bandwidth is an issue, but you have to start somewhere, and hopefully the Blu-ray consortium gets their 4K spec disks out soon.

Next we need Hollywood to actually care, which may end up being the longest lasting problem.
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Originally Posted by phill1978 View Post

Just as has been discussed (as per the Vsauce episode on resolution)...


Ugh, he brought up some interesting information, but still missed the boat.

It seems like there's a segment of the population that views it as a tragedy that they can't distinguish between individual pixels on their TV, as though they think that being able to see each one individually is what they paid for, when really sitting "too far away" is necessary to ensure that the information collecting ability of your eye, the most important thing in this whole situation, is actually saturated.
You want to sit "too far" away for the most realistic image.
Next is the bogus numbers that people throw around for that limit. I've done my own tests with my own eyes and 100DPI at 9 feet doesn't sound unreasonable (I'm somewhere between 20-20 and 20-15, just above average, and that was confirmed with a driver's exam a few weeks ago). My test was for the highest contrast situation I could come up with, which at first may sound biased, but do you actually want a screen that you know is not good enough under ideal conditions? Not to mention that's just where pixels start to blur together, with the maximum possible usable distance going out to 18 feet.
In other words, people should just use their TV like normal, the main reason people like having a bigger TV is the extra immersion from taking up a larger FOV, which would be no more useful now than it was before.
Thankfully we're actually getting demo units set up for people to look at and decide for themselves rather than using a bunch of useless figures from people trying to push an (anti-4K) agenda.

I can definitely agree that bandwidth is an issue, but you have to start somewhere, and hopefully the Blu-ray consortium gets their 4K spec disks out soon.

Next we need Hollywood to actually care, which may end up being the longest lasting problem.

I'm not a film industry expert, but most movie theaters are 4k, right? Which means some movies are already edited/distributed in a 4k format.

I think Hollywood would be happy to charge extra for 4k content right now, but the distribution platform/standards just aren't ready yet.
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15mbps puts it around a 1080p bluray compressed with DTS-MA audio.
assuming your file is around 10gb or so at 1.5-2hrs.
video and audio track only.
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I could probably watch it for about an hour before my entire monthly cap get's drained.
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doesnt it seem a bit counter intuitive to offer 4k,8k,16k,32k.. 1 million K etc.. and then have youtube levels of compression applied? Blueray @ 1080p is usually around 25 - 30mbps for just the video stream. The audio codecs is about 5mpbs - 7mbps so the typical net result for a blueray @ 1080p = 35MBPS

So, 4K is 4 x 1080p but here we have only 50% video bandwidth of 1080p blueray. Even if the new codec is 50% better that is still a lot less bandwidth and just more lost pixels, banding and blocking.

Just as has been discussed (as per the Vsauce episode on resolution) Distance and Lighting play a huge role in perceived resolution for the human eye, 1080p may not be perfect but pushing a 4k Ultra-HD standard through a small bandwidth pipe vs less compressed 1080p at typical viewing distances where by its already hard to tell the difference between 1080p and 4k on anything less than a 60" screen is just marketing hype.

The marketing buffs answer is to sit closer to the TV with 4K rolleyes.gif


The answer is 4K is best used for computer Monitors so the eye can perceive the details and you are already sat closer. 4K makes more sense in the world of computers.


At least Id prefer it if they offered a proper 40- 50mbps stream with HD audio and said here you go, if you have the connection enjoy the best...

I always just mentally down convert. If I'm watching 1080p online, its like 720. So 4k means we will finally have decent 1080 biggrin.gif
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