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I probably already know the answer to this, but being the consensus seeker I am I thought I'd ask here. Say you have a Phenom II X4 @ 4.0 Ghz. What would it take for an FX-4300 to equal it in gaming only? 4.0 Ghz as well, or a bit more? Anyone here have experiences with both? I know the FX would have lower power consumption.
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Have a look at the link in my Sig, I ran Piledriver vs. Phenom II tests last year.
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Here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1417764/done-ran-my-own-fx-vs-phenom-benchmark-tests

From what I can extrapolate from that Im guessing it would have to be at least 500 mhz higher than the phenom to match it, likely more. Problem is comparing a CPU with 4 FPU's (Phenom) and one with 2 FPU's (FX). If you are seriously considering the 4300 though dont. Get the 6300 at least or better yet the 8320.
Edited by Deadboy90 - 4/8/14 at 1:55pm
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I have an FX-6300 in one rig (modestly OC'd @ 4.2 Ghz). I also have a trusty old Phenom II X4 980 @ 4.0 Ghz in another. The overall gaming performance with the same GPU seems more or less the same, but the Phenom is a tiny bit smoother in something like Skyrim. The FX-6300 is a heck of a lot cooler running and I was thinking the FX-4300 might be more so - even with a healthy OC. Was thinking about putting one in the X4 980's PC for a bit of energy savings and less heat in the room - but it sounds like it might be counter-productive from a performance standpoint. Would it really take 4.5 Ghz for an FX-4300 to match a Phenom II X4 @ 4.0 Ghz in gaming?
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I have an FX-6300 in one rig (modestly OC'd @ 4.2 Ghz). I also have a trusty old Phenom II X4 980 @ 4.0 Ghz in another. The overall gaming performance with the same GPU seems more or less the same, but the Phenom is a tiny bit smoother in something like Skyrim. The FX-6300 is a heck of a lot cooler running and I was thinking the FX-4300 might be more so - even with a healthy OC. Was thinking about putting one in the X4 980's PC for a bit of energy savings and less heat in the room - but it sounds like it might be counter-productive from a performance standpoint. Would it really take 4.5 Ghz for an FX-4300 to match a Phenom II X4 @ 4.0 Ghz in gaming?


There are people who say that clock for clock the FX cpu's are better then Phenom II's. Vice Versa, there are others who say that the FX cpu's need that few extra hundred MHz to match the Phenom II's slightly better IPC. I have numerous Phenom II's and FX cpu's. Personally I can say that my 6300 at 4200 MHz spanks my 1090T at 4000 MHz. More so than 200 MHz would indicate. I also can say that my 4300 at 4300 MHz bests either my 965 BE or my 960T at 4200 MHz. My A10-5800K seems faster than my 965 BE and 960T for that matter. I do no benchmarking. I don't do much gaming. I just think the FX cpu's multi-task better. Less mouse lag, faster window re-sizing. That sort of thing. I usually have two browsers running. Tons of open tabs, Youtube, iTunes, Prime95, burning cd's etc....
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Thank you Chris! Just the sort of post I was looking for.
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I have an FX-6300 in one rig (modestly OC'd @ 4.2 Ghz). I also have a trusty old Phenom II X4 980 @ 4.0 Ghz in another. The overall gaming performance with the same GPU seems more or less the same, but the Phenom is a tiny bit smoother in something like Skyrim. The FX-6300 is a heck of a lot cooler running and I was thinking the FX-4300 might be more so - even with a healthy OC. Was thinking about putting one in the X4 980's PC for a bit of energy savings and less heat in the room - but it sounds like it might be counter-productive from a performance standpoint. Would it really take 4.5 Ghz for an FX-4300 to match a Phenom II X4 @ 4.0 Ghz in gaming?
Run a few benchmarks in games so you can gauge which is faster, the Phenom II x4 at 4Ghz or the FX 6300 at 4.2Ghz. I'm leaning towards the FX 6300.
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I have an FX-6300 in one rig (modestly OC'd @ 4.2 Ghz). I also have a trusty old Phenom II X4 980 @ 4.0 Ghz in another. The overall gaming performance with the same GPU seems more or less the same, but the Phenom is a tiny bit smoother in something like Skyrim. The FX-6300 is a heck of a lot cooler running and I was thinking the FX-4300 might be more so - even with a healthy OC. Was thinking about putting one in the X4 980's PC for a bit of energy savings and less heat in the room - but it sounds like it might be counter-productive from a performance standpoint. Would it really take 4.5 Ghz for an FX-4300 to match a Phenom II X4 @ 4.0 Ghz in gaming?
Can you Phenom II x4 do this?

That's the FX 6300 with two cores disabled, thus, running as a quad core.
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Can you Phenom II x4 do this?

That's the FX 6300 with two cores disabled, thus, running as a quad core.

Well, um... no - being there's no way in hell its going to clock that high. biggrin.gif You did give me an idea that I should have thought of sooner - I'll just disable two cores on my FX-6300 machine, clock it at 4 Ghz and compare.
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There are people who say that clock for clock the FX cpu's are better then Phenom II's. Vice Versa, there are others who say that the FX cpu's need that few extra hundred MHz to match the Phenom II's slightly better IPC. I have numerous Phenom II's and FX cpu's. Personally I can say that my 6300 at 4200 MHz spanks my 1090T at 4000 MHz. More so than 200 MHz would indicate. I also can say that my 4300 at 4300 MHz bests either my 965 BE or my 960T at 4200 MHz. My A10-5800K seems faster than my 965 BE and 960T for that matter. I do no benchmarking. I don't do much gaming. I just think the FX cpu's multi-task better. Less mouse lag, faster window re-sizing. That sort of thing. I usually have two browsers running. Tons of open tabs, Youtube, iTunes, Prime95, burning cd's etc....

I agree. Ive had a P II 960T, 965, 1090T as well as FX 4100 and a 8120. I won't go back to the P II line.

What Im really impressed with are the A line of apu I've had the FM1 line as well as the FM2 my A10 6800K runs @ 4.5 Ghz with a Vcore of 1.3v and has a very nice built in gpu but if you wanted to has no problem running a HD7950
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Well, um... no - being there's no way in hell its going to clock that high. biggrin.gif You did give me an idea that I should have thought of sooner - I'll just disable two cores on my FX-6300 machine, clock it at 4 Ghz and compare.

Clock for clock the Phenom II x4 will seem faster. You will need 4 fx cores at at least 4.6Ghz to compete and pull ahead. This should require less vcore than your Phenom II x4 at 4Ghz. Try running the black hole benchmark with your Phenom II x4 and see what score you get.
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