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No he didn't. He wasn't the first person to take an eclectic approach at fighting and he won't be the last. Ed Parker, Nick Cerio, Edwin Chow all developed mixed systems before Lee did. Also, Lee was a very poor grappler. He would not fit in today's modern UFC which is almost entirely dominated by Jiu-Jutsu practitioners. Just the honest truth. I like Bruce Lee. A lot. And no, I am not at all a fan of BJJ or modern grappling. But I know where Lee would and would not fit, and UFC wouldn't be for him. He avoided fighting tournaments that were UFC (grappling) equivalent in his time.

For all the publicity Jeet Kune Do gets for being an "mixed" martial art, it is very much a chinese style strongly resembling Shaolin Gung Fu. I don't know what, if anything he hadded to it. I'm sure he did add things, but most of us who practice martial arts can't see them.
Lee studied mainly Wing Chun and a hybrid of Bagua, Tai Chi, and Xingyi in China. He incorporated these into his own style. Bruce Lee was well versed in the ground game, he simply used a style of groundfighting unseen in MMA. When taken to the ground, he'd prefer to strike his opponent unconscious rather than engage in traditional MMA groundfighting. This is actually quite common outside of MMA, as the BBJ/Olympic Wrestling style takes far too much energy for most trained combatants to find it useful (most combat relies on minimum expenditure of energy for maximum impact, since outside of organized events one can never be certain of the number of attackers one might face). Grappling and wrestling also pin your location down, preventing one from getting odd attack angles.

This isn't a hole in JKD. It is an intentional stylistic difference. Lee would have done just fine in the UFC. In fact, he'd teach modern MMA the folly of their ground game.
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Lee studied mainly Wing Chun and a hybrid of Bagua, Tai Chi, and Xingyi in China. He incorporated these into his own style. Bruce Lee was well versed in the ground game, he simply used a style of groundfighting unseen in MMA. When taken to the ground, he'd prefer to strike his opponent unconscious rather than engage in traditional MMA groundfighting. This is actually quite common outside of MMA, as the BBJ/Olympic Wrestling style takes far too much energy for most trained combatants to find it useful (most combat relies on minimum expenditure of energy for maximum impact, since outside of organized events one can never be certain of the number of attackers one might face). Grappling and wrestling also pin your location down, preventing one from getting odd attack angles.

This isn't a hole in JKD. It is an intentional stylistic difference. Lee would have done just fine in the UFC. In fact, he'd teach modern MMA the folly of their ground game.

I was under the impression, Bruce Lee created Wing Chun.............
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Lee studied mainly Wing Chun and a hybrid of Bagua, Tai Chi, and Xingyi in China. He incorporated these into his own style. Bruce Lee was well versed in the ground game, he simply used a style of groundfighting unseen in MMA. When taken to the ground, he'd prefer to strike his opponent unconscious rather than engage in traditional MMA groundfighting. This is actually quite common outside of MMA, as the BBJ/Olympic Wrestling style takes far too much energy for most trained combatants to find it useful (most combat relies on minimum expenditure of energy for maximum impact, since outside of organized events one can never be certain of the number of attackers one might face). Grappling and wrestling also pin your location down, preventing one from getting odd attack angles.

This isn't a hole in JKD. It is an intentional stylistic difference. Lee would have done just fine in the UFC. In fact, he'd teach modern MMA the folly of their ground game.

I think you explained it better than I could, and you're right. Wing Chun, not Gung Fu. Whoops. Though, I have been in that position, and I must say, a good grappler doesn't break a sweat on the ground. I feel grappling is a soft art that will never make one winded. Anytime I've seen someone try to land a strike on a grappler on the ground, they just lose control of their limb and it gets worse for them.

I feel bad for the grappler who tries to take Lee to the ground.
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I was under the impression, Bruce Lee created Wing Chun.............
Oh heck no. He invented Jeet Kune Do. Wing Chun was taught to Lee by Yip Man, and was invented by a woman IIRC.
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I think you explained it better than I could, and you're right. Wing Chun, not Gung Fu. Whoops. Though, I have been in that position, and I must say, a good grappler doesn't break a sweat on the ground. I feel grappling is a soft art that will never make one winded. Anytime I've seen someone try to land a strike on a grappler on the ground, they just lose control of their limb and it gets worse for them.

I feel bad for the grappler who tries to take Lee to the ground.
In the documentary Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey, they clean up the lost footage from Game of Death. In that, he is taken to the ground more than once and shows methods of dealing with grappling combatants.

I highly recommend it. The choreography of the film is beautiful. The "movie" literally has a second plot for martial artists.
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Oh heck no. He invented Jeet Kune Do. Wing Chun was taught to Lee by Yip Man, and was invented by a woman IIRC.

Then I stand corrected.
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I see a lot of people try and cite his weight as a disadvantage and say something like "Oh a bigger guy with lots of MMA experience would take him.", um, no. I don't want to take away from what some of the more skilled fighters we have today can do, they are monsters for sure. I don't see them standing up to BL though, he was too fast, too controlled, and too powerful. A significant amount of his power did come from his speed, but also his perfect body control.

An interesting study....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2188680/Timing-Brain-scans-explain-power-Bruce-Lees-inch-punch.html

A brief article about a study that showed the brain structure of martial artists, and how they differ from the average Joe. Specifically in areas that allow the martial artist to have precise control over the body, synchronization of muscles and structure, etc. These are things that Bruce Lee was absolute with.

It goes beyond just training and being powerful and into almost the spiritual. Spiritual in the sense of completely dedicating oneself to a practice, and training at every level; mental, spiritual, and physical.

Further on the topic, Jeet Kune Do was extremely violent! It wasn't designed around subduing your opponent/attacker, it was about inflicting as much damage, up to death, on that person with as little effort as possible. At least this is always been how it was explained to myself, and what I have read into it.

I guess in the end I must admit I am a bit biased towards Bruce Lee, I grew up watching him, reading about him, and hearing my grandfather speak of him fondly.
    
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I see a lot of people try and cite his weight as a disadvantage and say something like "Oh a bigger guy with lots of MMA experience would take him.", um, no. I don't want to take away from what some of the more skilled fighters we have today can do, they are monsters for sure. I don't see them standing up to BL though, he was too fast, too controlled, and too powerful. A significant amount of his power did come from his speed, but also his perfect body control.
Actually, there is a much more significant reason to doubt that higher weight classes would have been an issue. Bruce Lee regularly sparred with Bolo Yeung, Chuck Norris, and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Height and weight variations meant nothing to him.

Really, most self defense arts are taught this way. You don't know what the height, weight, or number of attackers might be in the real world. Why would you train to fight only people within 20 pounds of you?
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Actually, there is a much more significant reason to doubt that higher weight classes would have been an issue. Bruce Lee regularly sparred with Bolo Yeung, Chuck Norris, and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Height and weight variations meant nothing to him.

Really, most self defense arts are taught this way. You don't know what the height, weight, or number of attackers might be in the real world. Why would you train to fight only people within 20 pounds of you?

+1...I regularly trained Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu with guys way bigger and heavier (and stronger) than me. Fun stuff tongue.gif
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+1...I regularly trained Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu with guys way bigger and heavier (and stronger) than me. Fun stuff tongue.gif
When one is 5' 11", 138 lbs (1.8m, 62.7 kgs), learning how to defend against only one's weight class is... not always ideal. Or even relevant.
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