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yes, and im trying to understand what that means in technical definitions so i can understand how it works . ...

In a nutshell: zero day vulnerability.

Every time Vista/7/8 get a security update, XP wont.
Not all of them will share the same vulnerabilities, but generally speaking anyone with a copy of win Vista/7/8 can watch a security update deploy, and check XP to see if it has the same vulnerability.

In essence, creating malware and viruses targeted to the windows ecosystem is now half as hard because Microsoft puts nice red arrows over possible vulnerabilities meaning people no longer have to go looking for them.
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In a nutshell: zero day vulnerability.

Every time Vista/7/8 get a security update, XP wont.
Not all of them will share the same vulnerabilities, but generally speaking anyone with a copy of win Vista/7/8 can watch a security update deploy, and check XP to see if it has the same vulnerability.

In essence, creating malware and viruses targeted to the windows ecosystem is now half as hard because Microsoft puts nice red arrows over possible vulnerabilities meaning people no longer have to go looking for them.

okay this makes sense.
so the updates by microsfot would fix the possible holes in the security, but now XP isnt getting these updates, meaning if a hacker found an exploit, the exploit is there forever now. correct? (this part i understand now)

BUT, how come windows firewall, and microsoft security essentials wont help at all? seeing as how those are still getting updates and such, wont it cover the exploits, or get updated so that it fixes new exploits found?
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okay this makes sense.
so the updates by microsfot would fix the possible holes in the security, but now XP isnt getting these updates, meaning if a hacker found an exploit, the exploit is there forever now. correct? (this part i understand now)

BUT, how come windows firewall, and microsoft security essentials wont help at all? seeing as how those are still getting updates and such, wont it cover the exploits, or get updated so that it fixes new exploits found?

MSE offers support for a range of operating systems. Each operating system needs it's own unique security patch. XP doesn't get those anymore.

I'm sorry, but how hard is this to understand?
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MSE offers support for a range of operating systems. Each operating system needs it's own unique security patch. XP doesn't get those anymore.

I'm sorry, but how hard is this to understand?

sorry im not very good with words tongue.gif

I understand the basic definition (the things u guys are saying atm, which would be enough for most)

such as, no new patches, so XP is basically stagnant now in its security position. (meaning new exploits will be able to get passed XP, but the old ones still cant)

however, I just dont understand HOW this works.

does this mean that just having XP on your PC is a risk now? or only when u go on the internet?




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MSE offers support for a range of operating systems. Each operating system needs it's own unique security patch. XP doesn't get those anymore.

so this means that MSE is also not getting the updates of XP? or just the XP os windows updates arent going on?
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okay this makes sense.
so the updates by microsfot would fix the possible holes in the security, but now XP isnt getting these updates, meaning if a hacker found an exploit, the exploit is there forever now. correct? (this part i understand now)

BUT, how come windows firewall, and microsoft security essentials wont help at all? seeing as how those are still getting updates and such, wont it cover the exploits, or get updated so that it fixes new exploits found?

Correct

As for the second part, MSE is antispyware, so it cant do all THAT much by its self, and Windows firewall on XP is tied into the windows XP Security Updates if memory serves.
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Correct

As for the second part, MSE is antispyware, so it cant do all THAT much by its self, and Windows firewall on XP is tied into the windows XP Security Updates if memory serves.

oh okay, so that basically means windows firewall isnt getting updated as well?

i thought the windows firewall thing was a universal firewall for all windows OS.
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post #17 of 26
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okay this makes sense.
so the updates by microsfot would fix the possible holes in the security, but now XP isnt getting these updates, meaning if a hacker found an exploit, the exploit is there forever now. correct? (this part i understand now)

BUT, how come windows firewall, and microsoft security essentials wont help at all? seeing as how those are still getting updates and such, wont it cover the exploits, or get updated so that it fixes new exploits found?

Anti-virus, including firewalls, programs could be thought about like a fence around the house. While keeping out known/possible threats, there are MANY vulnerabilities with the house itself. Like fire, lightning strikes, termites...whatever what you can think of.

The problem with the firewall is that it WILL allow programs or information through certain ports...mostly 8080 and 80...and some others. Those open ports allow the browser to download data from the internet. Virus protection is only AS good as the program and database is....so no virus definitions no protection

Obviously, Windows won't release the update as virus definitons because no two anti-virus programs are the same...one may or may not include the definition...and depends on how active the anti-virus program is.


The patches are uniform across all computers....despite the programs installed.
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Internet Explorer thru 8 also loses support. Google may support XP for a year. Firefox will for an unspecified time. Do not know which Antivirus/Firewalls will cease updates.
When a virus or vulnerability becomes apparent, patches and antimalware go out to the 99,998 out of 100,000 (or whatever) that never had it and therefore will not.
So disable Internet Explorer, research browsers still "defending " XP, only use programs you have reason to believe are unlikely to be a danger.
Unfortunately one attack getting thru could result in a bricked computer or Identity theft.

There are articles. out there.

You can unplug the internet and use XP safely. Though without the internet, and the ability to wander around it, definitely something missing.
post #19 of 26
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ahh okay that makes sense.

so basically, as an example,
if its in a game, if there was a bug/glitch they found, there wouldnt be any patch to fix it? (in this case bug/glitch in security of OS)


but how come windows firewall, microsoft security essentials and such wont be able to block it still? those are still geting updated and supported are they not?

A firewall is just a guard at the front door. A vulnerability is a bunch of bricks in the side of your house that are loose. The guard is just there to allow/deny people from entering the front door. If someone goes around the side and knows about the bricks, he can take them out and get into your house.

Before today, if somebody found out about the bricks and reported it, MS would get somebody to patch it up. Now, even after loose bricks are discovered, nobody is ever going to fix it.
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Two European countries are paying to continue XP, do not know how that will work.
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