Originally Posted by prava
Not the same. High-end musicians get their instruments loaned for free. And I have yet to listen to a discussion between musicians whether X is better than Y instrument. A Strad my not be worth the price they go for... but they certainly compare to top of the line modern violins... and those aren't cheap at all.
An instrument doesn't have a sound on its own, specially not a violin (or viola, or cello). The reason being is fairly simple: the mechanical action required for it to sound, and the body attached to it, affects every aspect of the sound. The same instrument played by different musicians will always produce a different sound, which is there are hardly "bad instruments", but bad musicians.
As far as high end musicians getting instruments, I'm not sure what instruments you're referring to. If you're talking about classical, sure, that's how it works. If you're talking about musicians in bands or hip hop type people or even computer enthusiasts or audiophiles, they have to pay for those things themselves. Of course there are going to be discussions between nerds whether X nerdy thing is better than Y nerdy thing and test whether that's true or not scientifically whether it be headphones, heatsinks, fans, radiators, cars, violins, guitars, whatever.
There's tons of blind tests out there that disprove any of these sorts of ideas about inherent craftsmanship no matter what type of "instrument" it is. That is my point. Audiophiles test the crap out of their stuff thoroughly in both blind and comparative tests and the same applies to any sort of instrument humanity makes. There's an argument obviously for how a person USES a certain instrument, but that's not what anyone here is talking about. This is about scientifically validated tests much like headphone tests or even heatsink or fan or radiator tests designed to show that of course there are differences in quality related to craftsmanship, but nothing is made uniquely. Take the pepsi challenge for me. Of course there's going to be a difference in a BMW vs a Ferrari. Two very different styles and execution. There's going to be a difference between a Telecaster and Stratocaster and Squire and Jazzmaster. Artists choose their instruments based on their limitations and knowledge. I'm sure every violinist in the world would love a Stradivarius but that doesn't make it inherently better than something cheaper and equally as crafted. That's what places like overclock.net are designed to do. Independent scientific research that betters the knowledge of everyone.
Just because the TRUE copper was one of the best heatsinks of its time doesn't still make it the best heatsink for anyone to recommend. Do you understand?
Violin nerds are not special. The rules of science do not bend for them. Your special Italian wood (isn't that why they're so special? some special river floated wood and genius level craftsmanship right?) doesn't make you inherently better than the product you produce, which linearly (or whatever function) decreases with time as others have pointed out. Scientific BLIND TESTS have SHOWN and are probably REPRODUCIBLE by ANYONE IN THE WORLD that the NORMAL human cannot distinguish between a Stradivarius and an equally well made instrument.
tldr: violin nerds are the same as other types of nerdsEdited by tombom - 4/13/14 at 10:20pm