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Interesting... but how efficient is it? If they spend a ton of energy to create liquid fuel, then what was the point? In addition, worded poorly, but how much energy is in this fuel.. is the plane using 2x the fuel than if it were gasoline. I also wonder about the corrosiveness that saltwater has to the devices that will be producing this fuel.

Well the idea is probably that they want to strap one to an nuke powered aircraft carrier so they can keep flying jets even if they are cut off form resupply.
    
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Well the idea is probably that they want to strap one to an nuke powered aircraft carrier so they can keep flying jets even if they are cut off form resupply.

I almost replied with... well why dont they just use batteries at that point..... **FacePalm**

That's a great reason. Probably why the Navy is funding this kinda research too heh. Their nuclear reactor is probably under its minimal load so most of the energy was probably going to be wasted as is.
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This is awesome though.
The Sea gives water, air, and now fuel!
Just need a human food source that is sustainable and a ship will only need to dock for maintenance.

You could have a sub that never has surface at that point
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You could have a sub that never has surface at that point

A sub does not have to surface. It only does for workers to get food. It can stay under water for ~ 20 years.
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Well the idea is probably that they want to strap one to an nuke powered aircraft carrier so they can keep flying jets even if they are cut off form resupply.

Finally! Someone who "gets" it!
     
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"you could have a few plants running 24/7 making fuel out of water for pennies on the dollar most likely."

"When you throw in the newer plant processes that produce less waste...I think it is a bit cheaper than you are thinking. They virtually cannot melt down."


Really? You need proof of this? Do you have any idea how many cars, trucks, planes, bulldozers...ect...there are in the US? Go pay for them to start using something other than a fuel derived from oil and tell me it would would be more expensive than a technology that could provide fuel at $3.00 to $6.00 a gallon (and that is in the relatively early stages). So really it was just a guess based on that number verses the mind boggling number that a conversion would entail based off of common sense. This is new tech so I highly doubt they've looked at doing anything but make fuel for Navy ships and planes with it.

As for the second ask for proof...how can you even argue against nuclear when you don't even have the faintest knowledge of it? I could give you proof...but I think it would be better if you just researched this on your own. At bare minimum you might at least find the loop holes to argue against it properly. I am guessing you think a reactor built in the last 10 years could have the same thing happen to it that happened at Chornobyl or Fukushima...heck even the last 20 years. Thorium reactors is a great place to start researching, but even a more traditional reactor is virtually immune from anything catastrophic. They can't melt down. The reaction will stop. Though I will point out to you right now what a lot of sources won't...that just because the reaction stops doesn't mean it won't be hot for a long time, but they are designed for that and once cooling is back up and running it will be fine and likely will continue operation.

though I did look up the average cost of electricity to the US consumer...it's actually $.13 an kw/hour.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 4/10/14 at 6:55am
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Interesting... but how efficient is it? If they spend a ton of energy to create liquid fuel, then what was the point? In addition, worded poorly, but how much energy is in this fuel.. is the plane using 2x the fuel than if it were gasoline. I also wonder about the corrosiveness that saltwater has to the devices that will be producing this fuel.

100% efficient if done properly. People fail to realize that nuclear power plants are only ~1% fuel efficient to begin with (~30% heat efficient). If you take all of that wasted heat and use it to power chemical reactions... You are literally upgrading your nuclear plants efficiency exponentially.

Also, the hotter you run the primary loop in a nuclear system, the more things you can piggy back off of the excess heat. Many of the Gen 4 reactor designs are aiming at much higher operating temperatures for this reason. Better turbine/electrical output efficiency, hot enough to crack hydrogen, hot enough to desalinate sea water, probably hot enough to accomplish this chemical process as well. Add thermo-electric polymers and you can start recovering even the lowest levels of waste heat.

The more heat we consume from any reaction, the more efficient it is.
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This process has been known for decades....
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Let me tackle this nuclear myth right now.

Nuclear power is very expensive. There is currently no solution to nuclear waste. And if you deal with the whole process, it cost more to deal with nuclear then it produces.

Nuclear power requires capital to build, capital to maintain, and capital to decommission.

Lets look at the numbers.

To actually run a current nuclear power plant is between 9 and 14 cents per kilowatt. The market value for that energy is about 6 cents per kilowatt.

So the government has to had over a subsidy every where year to cover the different between the cost to run the reactor and the market value. Which means, all total, the government hands out about 58 billion dollars to nuclear companies just to keep them running.

But the problem with nuclear does not stop there.

After the plant runs its life, the company that ran it take the profits to other holdings and declares bankruptcy. The federal government then must come in and decommission the plant. If you force the nuclear companies to actually do this, the cost per kilowatt would go up to almost 1.30 cents a kilowatt, remember the market value is 6 cents per kilowatt.

When you add all the little things that is either funded by or taken care of by the tax paper, the total cost of nuclear power is 30 cents to 4 dollars a kilowatt. Depending on the company.

And that does not even address the biggest problem with nuclear power.

The waste that is produce by the nuclear power is just being stored because the cost of dealing with it would make even the federal government cringe. Which is why we started to store it in a mountain then dealing with it. In places like the uk, where they process the waste, the cost for nuclear is increased by 4 to 7 cents a kilowatt.

Now I don't know your "cons" of solar panels, but I have yet to see one produce a nuclear meltdown or leave waste in the ground for thousands of year.


http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/nuclear_power/nuclear_subsidies_report.pdf

Nah they just cost a ton in rare earth minerals to make solar panels that are even mildly effective thus destroying the environment anyway, GREAT IDEA
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Think of Kerosine... but then take it ten steps higher in quality. Jet fuel on Carriers is made in house and extremely controlled.

They even swirl test it biggrin.gif



This is awesome though.
The Sea gives water, air, and now fuel!
Just need a human food source that is sustainable and a ship will only need to dock for maintenance.

We call that seafood wink.gif
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