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E comparison is invalid because it will lose when mem runs out or when there is no sli support. Just saying comparing single cards to a sli setup is silly.

Ya i think the truth is if we all were rich, we would all have titans lol.
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It loosely relates to why people are pissed about Nvidia's new selling structure of releasing mid-grade first.

Agreed.
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Releasing Mid-grade as top-grade is what I'm ticked at.

Agreed.

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Ya i think the truth is if we all were rich, we would all have titans lol.

To a certain extent! Me personally, I would never drop 1k on a GPU...the last couple of years I've only spent about $330 after tax on graphics card which is the 670 I have right now. I would love to grab another one and run SLi but knowing that this GK104 chip is only half the amount of cores of a full fledge GK110 I'd rather go that route instead or a 290/290x card!

I'd hate to drop $500 bucks on this mid-high range card just for a better full fledge card of the same generation to be released 6-12 months later...I think I may as well hold out for tha instead and just upgrade my cpu/ssd/case first. Good job Nvidia! You got us real good back during the 680s days!!! redface.gif
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post #273 of 481
To be honest, it's us, the people, who are at fault because of buying their thrown crap. First Intel started selling locked chips and got away with it and now NVIDIA. An overclocker on budget can't do much but go AMD route. frown.gif
post #274 of 481
There is no way they would do a GM110 release so early... The 20nm process is simply not ready for 500+mm^2 chips.

The other option I guess is that they don't even talk about maxwell, and then throw everything at you in 18 months time, when the GM110 can be viably produced.

The only thing I have an issue with is the bloated prices, which although they are higher than they should be, are still not that much over the price, especially considering that at this point producing at 20nm is almost certainly somewhat more expensive than 28nm.
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post #275 of 481
Nah, they just drop a small 20nm now before the end of the year (to be ready for the holiday sales as well) and then wait for the big ones next year when yields at manufacturing are more stable.

One thing is though that it will probably be not much faster than a 780 Ti now, max 10% faster I suspect. But it might be cheaper.

I think it's deeply obvious 28nm is burned out, they are just waiting on queue at TSMC at this point without saying it.
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post #276 of 481
Something of note is that NVIDIA probably overshot with the GK110 in relation to 20nm. That means, they might have gone that far with its size that 20nm will have a big problem to compete with it before it also goes big size! According to the estimation of 30% more transistor per die size on 20nm compared to 28nm, the 7.9mil transistors guess will need a die that will be exactly the size of the 290s.

So that would make it harder for the next gen of big chips that might come in mid-late 2015 after the first batch at the end of this year. It will make big Maxwell very hard to actually exist!

Well, there is a clear alternative that it's most likely to be followed: Big-ish chips now, slightly bigger later that are not that impressive.



But you know what that means right? When Volta comes about what are they gonna do? Oh.. they bet on stacked vram.. I get it.
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post #277 of 481
I lot of the confusion in this forum stems from the fact people think NVIDIA controls the manufacturing process. They don't. They wait like puppies for TSMC to give them the "OK". You think they can't handle orders on chips they already have? No way. You think they sell so many Pro cards they can't sell Gaming cards? No way. They wait like puppies for TSMC to tell them "ok, little nvidia, you now print your chips, and wait, you know, they cost a cazillion for the first few months". So they print mainly for the pro cards at first and the cost generally goes down to what 780 was at first for the GK110. And people whine that nvidia is "overpriced". A joke. Titan sure, but this is 28 and 20nm and 2014 people. Forget the 90s and the early 00s. We got to pay in blood to shrink the transistor. And it's so monumentally expensive to do it, nvidia can not afford it, amd could not afford it anymore, only the giants can. So let amd and nvidia wait like puppies for tsmc to give their ok for gpus because really, they control nothing, they just wait for the apple apus now to complete and it's their turn, with possibly even more horrible yields at first. Which is a bit worrisome by the way since if they overshot with the gk110, they got to make a big-ish chip on the get-go on 20nm, and that'll be bad for the consumer. It's likely to be of the size of the 290 as the rumour specifically implies and that means possibly an underwhelming gm110.
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post #278 of 481
You know, I've been thinking Pascal in relation to this and it's very likely 20nm will be an one-chip cycle. GK110 is gigantic and it's likely, to the point of almost certainty the first 20nm chip to be around the size of the 290, as this rumour implies. So, they release this and then they go straight to 16nm with stacked vram on top. It's said that 16nm is just a minor improvement on 20nm anyway in terms of foundry alterations.

So in practice, we get this first somewhere around October, we wait on it until at least somewhere around next Summer. It's gonna be ~10% faster than GK110 so it's marginally satisfactory.

Then 16nm sometime late 2015 with vram stacked on top of the GPU and Bam, huge performance increase. Only problem is, they might be stuck with nothing after it.

But they probably assume Pascal will be so amazing that it will only need a small chip at first, so it's gonna have another iteration in 2016.

And then it goes 2017 for anything that is next. But that's probably beyond the retirement of some people that control this thing.
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You know, I've been thinking Volta in relation to this and it's very likely 20nm will be an one-chip cycle. GK110 is gigantic and it's likely, to the point of almost certainty the first 20nm chip to be around the size of the 290, as this rumour implies. So, they release this and then they go straight to 16nm with stacked vram on top. It's said that 16nm is just a minor improvement on 20nm anyway in terms of foundry alterations.

So in practice, we get this first somewhere around October, we wait on it until at least somewhere around next Summer. It's gonna be ~10% faster than GK110 so it's marginally satisfactory.

Then 16nm sometime late 2015 with vram stacked on top of the GPU and Bam, huge performance increase. Only problem is, they might be stuck with nothing after it.

But they probably assume stacked vram will be so amazing that it will only need a small chip at first, so it's gonna have another iteration in 2016.

And then it goes 2017 for anything that is next. But that's probably beyond the retirement of some people that control this thing.

stacked & Denver cores.

I think the possibility of Maxwell being a one trick pony is likely. Mostly because both of the things rumored to come with it have been pushed to Volta/Pascal.
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Thread cleaned and unlocked.

Please keep on topic from here on out.

Thread does not need to be a warzone talking about old product superiority.

Thanks.
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