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well for sure these arent gaming CPUs especially when kaveri is that horrible as a gaming CPU that you are better off with a cheaper haswell i3 but in my case i've already invested on kaveri and its very disappointing and it even stutters during normal windows tasks

i dont know about pentiums though, i have a G620 pentium and its pretty crap too. mean while i do have a unused i7 +z77 board sitting around with no purpose.

Sounds like there is something wrong somewhere in your config. It's not Kaveri in general though. I own 1100T, FX-9590, A10-6700, A10-7850k, A8-3850, i5-2400, i7-3770k. All are super smooth except for the A8-3850 but it's in a really cheap ASRock board that has proven not to be very stable. It's only 3+1 phase rated for 95w and the A8-3850 is more power hungry than that. You should look into some of your components that could potentially be causing a slowdown. One of AMD's recent Beta drivers made all my browsers render slow unless I have crossfire turned on. On the A8-3850 print previews in office 2013 generated ridiculously slow with some of the newer graphics drivers. Even while running dgpu I had to first wipe all APU drivers. I'm thinking it's something like this causing a slowdown in your system and not Kaveri itself.

Back on topic, for someone like me who has some extra old components lying around. Kabini could make a relatively good budget gaming pc. I have really wanted to try Titanfall with one of my buddies but he doesn't have the cash atm for a new console or pc. I could get one of these to tinker for alittle while and throw in my old 5750 and then give it to him so we could get some gaming in. It may actually pay off in the end since I normally have to purchase a console if we want to game together.
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post #202 of 778
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Kaveri is horrible as a gaming cpu with dgpu? I missed that part of the news.


Maybe something else is wrong with your because it shouldn't feel slow hell it comes close to my i5 2300.
The only thing I can think of is little frame dips on the Kaveri when something intense happens in game.

1) In house AMD slide showing best case scenarios

2) Kaveri CPUs (at the moment that means 7850K) are way too expensive to be good price/perf with dGPUs. Since Richland OCs better you could just get a 760K and get very close to the same CPU performance as a 7850K. Or if you're still looking to spend close to $200 on a CPU just get an i5 while you're at it because it's going to absolutely kill a 7850K in gaming once you're using a dedicated GPU.

7850K just makes no sense for use with dGPUs. Almost everything is better price/perf (and most are better performance as well).

-Richland quads
-FX6300
-FX8320
-i5s
-etc.

All much better than a 7850K unless you plan on using the igpu.
 
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7850K just makes no sense for use with dGPUs. Almost everything is better price/perf (and most are better performance as well).

-Richland quads
-FX6300
-FX8320
-i5s
-etc.

All much better than a 7850K unless you plan on using the igpu.

This.

There is no point in buying a CPU that runs an expensive iGPU if you are going to add another one...

That's why I said pentiums are a good option. In most less demanding games they are more than powerful enough. And they are dirt cheap. $60 $50 in microcenter for a 3.0GHz dual core haswell. That's pretty good value if you ask me.

I was actually considering doing an ITX build with an APU, but I think I'll just go with one of the intels with a 750Ti. Would be a ton easier to cool as well, especially inside an RVZ01
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1) In house AMD slide showing best case scenarios

2) Kaveri CPUs (at the moment that means 7850K) are way too expensive to be good price/perf with dGPUs. Since Richland OCs better you could just get a 760K and get very close to the same CPU performance as a 7850K. Or if you're still looking to spend close to $200 on a CPU just get an i5 while you're at it because it's going to absolutely kill a 7850K in gaming once you're using a dedicated GPU.

7850K just makes no sense for use with dGPUs. Almost everything is better price/perf (and most are better performance as well).

-Richland quads
-FX6300
-FX8320
-i5s
-etc.

All much better than a 7850K unless you plan on using the igpu.

Since when do you care about price/performance?

Make up your mind dude.

Also from the benches I have seen there is nothing wrong with using a 7850k with even a 290.... On mantle biggrin.gif
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A10 7850k should be performing better than most piledrivers in very poorly threaded games (1-2 threads used), at least at stock, PD clocks higher it seems but I haven't got hands on experience with SR so I can't say. As for playable framerate,for me depends on the game. In WoW, 20fps is perfectly playable,in BF3/4 if it drops below 51-52 I will notice, if it drops below 45 it will annoy me and mess with my shooting.
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Sounds like there is something wrong somewhere in your config. It's not Kaveri in general though. I own 1100T, FX-9590, A10-6700, A10-7850k, A8-3850, i5-2400, i7-3770k. All are super smooth except for the A8-3850 but it's in a really cheap ASRock board that has proven not to be very stable. It's only 3+1 phase rated for 95w and the A8-3850 is more power hungry than that. You should look into some of your components that could potentially be causing a slowdown. One of AMD's recent Beta drivers made all my browsers render slow unless I have crossfire turned on. On the A8-3850 print previews in office 2013 generated ridiculously slow with some of the newer graphics drivers. Even while running dgpu I had to first wipe all APU drivers. I'm thinking it's something like this causing a slowdown in your system and not Kaveri itself.

Back on topic, for someone like me who has some extra old components lying around. Kabini could make a relatively good budget gaming pc. I have really wanted to try Titanfall with one of my buddies but he doesn't have the cash atm for a new console or pc. I could get one of these to tinker for alittle while and throw in my old 5750 and then give it to him so we could get some gaming in. It may actually pay off in the end since I normally have to purchase a console if we want to game together.

i own a 5800k as well and it did feel and benched faster which is why i felt like there is something wrong with my board but i cant prove it nor is it grounds for warranty replacement.

infact that 5800k performed slower on that board then it did on a first gen FM2 board both asrock in branding. idk if its APU drivers that is screwing up though but i need those drivers and i intend to run iGPU with dGPU though im not doing this atm till i get my PCIe riser cable.
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1) In house AMD slide showing best case scenarios

2) Kaveri CPUs (at the moment that means 7850K) are way too expensive to be good price/perf with dGPUs. Since Richland OCs better you could just get a 760K and get very close to the same CPU performance as a 7850K. Or if you're still looking to spend close to $200 on a CPU just get an i5 while you're at it because it's going to absolutely kill a 7850K in gaming once you're using a dedicated GPU.

7850K just makes no sense for use with dGPUs. Almost everything is better price/perf (and most are better performance as well).

-Richland quads
-FX6300
-FX8320
-i5s
-etc.

All much better than a 7850K unless you plan on using the igpu.

richland quads dont exist down this side of the planet and yes i actually regretted not getting an entry i5 especially when the 7850k costed more in AUD.

i only considered the APU because i thought i could bank on HSA and i gave away my 5800k. I thought the APU made sense for my LAN rig so i can run it with just the iGPU when i bring it to LAN and game on a 720p screen and dock it at home with a dGPU like my current 270X or a 290X / 295X when 3440x1440 screens reach our shores but as of this moment the APU performance has been absolutely disappointing that im honestly considering ditching my few months old rig for another one that actually have some computing balls.

mean while i do have a totally unused i7 and 670GTX collecting dust, just need a case and PSU to get them running and i probly run a few games that is listed on the chart and see how im doing
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but in my case i've already invested on kaveri and its very disappointing and it even stutters during normal windows tasks

Either something to do with that rig is having issues or Kaveri is slower than the stock Core 2 Duo E6700 in my HTPC, because it certainly doesn't stutter during normal Windows tasks. Nor did any of the 5 Phenom IIs I owned, the Core 2 Duo E8300 I owned, my i5 3570k, etc. I notice below you mentioned you have ASRock for both which may be your issue, they definitely are cheap and some things simply screw up regularly on their boards...I had a Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 that has been under LN2 and it ran flawlessly compared to my ASRock 990FX Extreme4 or either of the Z77 Pro3s I've had which all seem to bug out on USB3 among other things. (On the one in my rig, my USB3 HDD won't even appear...on the Z77 Pro3 in my girlfriends rig and my Extreme4, it appears for ~5-10 minutes worth of work and then disappears and refuses to work in any port until I restart)

Never buying ASRock again, that's for sure..
    
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It's game dependent. More CPU intensive games will run far better on the i5s...
I know
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1) In house AMD slide showing best case scenarios

2) Kaveri CPUs (at the moment that means 7850K) are way too expensive to be good price/perf with dGPUs. Since Richland OCs better you could just get a 760K and get very close to the same CPU performance as a 7850K. Or if you're still looking to spend close to $200 on a CPU just get an i5 while you're at it because it's going to absolutely kill a 7850K in gaming once you're using a dedicated GPU.

7850K just makes no sense for use with dGPUs. Almost everything is better price/perf (and most are better performance as well).

-Richland quads
-FX6300
-FX8320
-i5s
-etc.

All much better than a 7850K unless you plan on using the igpu.
The A8-7600 should've come to market from the start I agree. But in most games the Kaveri proc fares well even with a dgpu and certainly has more future potential than an i5.

Still my point stand for most games it barely matters what cpu you run judging by the latest numbers put out on Kabini.
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guys you are missing the point of why APU are being made... its a

*LOW COST
*LOW POWER USAGE
*Power full iGPU for light gaming

so there is not sense on getting a APU to buy a dedicated GPU, it doesnt make any sense...

if i buy a kabini its because i want it for the low cost / low power usage while able to do gaming
games like Starcraft Broodwar which is really old can be played here

as well as other games. depending on settings... on my country the electricity goes away for a couple of hours
and we need to use generators, i cant use my actual PC on the generator because is it going to get discharged very quick

while one of this light power use pc can let me game with the generator and at the same time lower my electricity bill.
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guys you are missing the point of why APU are being made... its a

*LOW COST
*LOW POWER USAGE
*Power full iGPU for light gaming

so there is not sense on getting a APU to buy a dedicated GPU, it doesnt make any sense...

if i buy a kabini its because i want it for the low cost / low power usage while able to do gaming
games like Starcraft Broodwar which is really old can be played here

as well as other games. depending on settings... on my country the electricity goes away for a couple of hours
and we need to use generators, i cant use my actual PC on the generator because is it going to get discharged very quick

while one of this light power use pc can let me game with the generator and at the same time lower my electricity bill.

This post explains why you lot are arguing about nothing. It's cheap, uses hardly any power and has a decent iGPU. The rest of your bickering is meaningless and people wanting to get one for dGPU?? What on earth are you guys talking about? That GPU you want to get will be more expensive than the APU, board, PSU and maybe even case put together.
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