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Man, you Intel guys.

When AMD is close in performance, you cry about power consumption.

When AMD has a product that is extremely efficient for the amount of power it uses, and Intel has nothing that uses this much power that can perform overall as well as Kabini (CPU is a little slower sometimes for Kabini but GPU destroys Intel Atom GPUs), power consumption no longer matters and it's time to compare entry level i5s with 50w+ TDP to 15w TDP Kabini and declare Kabini sucks.

Kabini is only really comparable to Bay Trail Atoms for CPU and comparable to a big (but not Iris Pro) Intel GPU (but it actually has drivers that work). That's it, end of discussion. It's not that hard. You buy this chip because you want to have something that uses 2w idle and 15w under load that you leave on 24/7 and is capable of playing games if you need it to.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-8330.92874.0.html

A4-5000 has Radeon HD 8330 graphics. Notice it's above Intel Haswell.

After seeing how my A4-5000 handles League of Legends, I think that this chip will be absolutely fantastic with Mantle and some games like BF4 might be in reach. But I wouldn't count on it for a gaming computer. I think some of you are over-estimating this chip. It's 15w for the entire thing as absolute peak.

It's far more along the lines of running some sort of HTPC with Windows that's a file server that you can also do emulation and light gaming on. And for that it's absolutely awesome. But I do think that these things are vastly better in laptops. I got a mil-spec laptop that's built like a tank and gets 8 hours of battery life (if you stretch it really hard) for $500 dollars. And performance is just peachy. I think that maybe some of you who are interested in Kabini might want to consider a laptop. I have x140e Thinkpad and I love this laptop far more than my old Core 2 Duo with x1600 Mobility.
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post #212 of 778
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This post explains why you lot are arguing about nothing. It's cheap, uses hardly any power and has a decent iGPU. The rest of your bickering is meaningless and people wanting to get one for dGPU?? What on earth are you guys talking about? That GPU you want to get will be more expensive than the APU, board, PSU and maybe even case put together.

im not interrested on pairing a apu with dgpu... but i wanted to know how it works...
post #213 of 778
can you overclock Athlon 5350? beema will deliver 2x P/W against kabini...

We all know why both consoles use jaguar cores
Edited by Themisseble - 4/13/14 at 6:56am
post #214 of 778
Ok, if you are very short on money, yes... Sure this could be an option for 720p gaming on things like LoL or some older titles.

But, really? If I was too broke to afford a 600 dollar gaming rig I'd just not buy one at all and actually make some money.

These thins are just not for gaming.
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1) In house AMD slide showing best case scenarios

2) Kaveri CPUs (at the moment that means 7850K) are way too expensive to be good price/perf with dGPUs. Since Richland OCs better you could just get a 760K and get very close to the same CPU performance as a 7850K. Or if you're still looking to spend close to $200 on a CPU just get an i5 while you're at it because it's going to absolutely kill a 7850K in gaming once you're using a dedicated GPU.

7850K just makes no sense for use with dGPUs. Almost everything is better price/perf (and most are better performance as well).

-Richland quads
-FX6300
-FX8320
-i5s
-etc.

All much better than a 7850K unless you plan on using the igpu.

We all know that there are better and faster parts out there, but this whole thread is about a very specific part for the low power segment of PCs. The costs of an entire build with these AM1 parts could get many into a fileserver/HTPC ect. Could you please refrain from trashing the product at hand with all the "xxxxx is better get this xxxxx part" comments? I think people here are smart enough to know what these products are for without the external "help". thumb.gif
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post #216 of 778
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Ok, if you are very short on money, yes... Sure this could be an option for 720p gaming on things like LoL or some older titles.

But, really? If I was too broke to afford a 600 dollar gaming rig I'd just not buy one at all and actually make some money.

These thins are just not for gaming.
Well here you have a part with clearly capable cpu perf for a low end dgpu if we can trust that graph only 30% lower framerate than with a 80W 300 dollar part rolleyes.gif
Sure most people will use the dgpu which will be fine for 720P everything lowest. (reviewers actually are unable to set things to the lowest setting)
post #217 of 778
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Originally Posted by GorbazTheDragon View Post

Ok, if you are very short on money, yes... Sure this could be an option for 720p gaming on things like LoL or some older titles.
But, really? If I was too broke to afford a 600 dollar gaming rig I'd just not buy one at all and actually make some money.
These thins are just not for gaming.

Depends on where you live. Sure - if you in US or somewhere else "first world" then 600 might not sound like a lot but for roughly 80% of Earth population 600 is damn big pile of money. For them a "top end" PC they might be able to afford is perhaps a ~300$ thing with old CRT 1280x1024 display, if they are lucky. And this thing can game, being able to run some game at minimum settings at ~30 fps is better than not being able to run it at all. That is where this thing steps in and can make a difference. As all the sudden you can get a x86 new machine done for ~150 and if you want to game at absolutely bottom of the barrel budget then your only option is no longer ordering a Android device from China. You can get reasonably decent "thumb" android device for as low as ~30 .. 40 $ - something with 1 GB of RAM, 1.5 GHz ARM cpu, MALI 400, couple of USB ports and WiFi. You know something like this:

Now you can compete with this with x86 based platform. The "free" games selection on steam is a bit more limited but you have a lot more options as far as what to do with this goes ... so I believe this platform is interesting and quite useful to have around.
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Depends on where you live. Sure - if you in US or somewhere else "first world" then 600 might not sound like a lot but for roughly 80% of Earth population 600 is damn big pile of money. For them a "top end" PC they might be able to afford is perhaps a ~300$ thing with old CRT 1280x1024 display, if they are lucky. And this thing can game, being able to run some game at minimum settings at ~30 fps is better than not being able to run it at all. That is where this thing steps in and can make a difference. As all the sudden you can get a x86 new machine done for ~150 and if you want to game at absolutely bottom of the barrel budget then your only option is no longer ordering a Android device from China. You can get reasonably decent "thumb" android device for as low as ~30 .. 40 $ - something with 1 GB of RAM, 1.5 GHz ARM cpu, MALI 400, couple of USB ports and WiFi. You know something like this:

Now you can compete with this with x86 based platform. The "free" games selection on steam is a bit more limited but you have a lot more options as far as what to do with this goes ... so I believe this platform is interesting and quite useful to have around.

Suddenly AM1 makes much more sense. From what I've read, the subcontinent tablet/ARM market is booming, perhaps AMD wants a slice of this pie by offering a true x86 system.
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Well here you have a part with clearly capable cpu perf for a low end dgpu if we can trust that graph only 30% lower framerate than with a 80W 300 dollar part rolleyes.gif
Sure most people will use the dgpu which will be fine for 720P everything lowest. (reviewers actually are unable to set things to the lowest setting)

Actually, a good reviewer will bench at various setting, ie: low, med, high & ultra. This will not only show how well the performance is but how the settings effect performance. Just like a good reviewer won't use benchmarks that favor one processor or GPU over another. Another factor to comsider is that some of the lastest hardware coming out isn't properly supported by current benchmark programs due to totally new features. A prime example of the is with a popular monitoring program, Hardware monitor from CPUID, it doesn't support the Kaveri chips as yet. And there's been no work on when the next version is coming out.
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Suddenly AM1 makes much more sense. From what I've read, the subcontinent tablet/ARM market is booming, perhaps AMD wants a slice of this pie by offering a true x86 system.
I hope AMD can aquire LTE based tech by 2015 for future smartphones that would be good.
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