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I wouldn't consider it an upgrade at all. Beema and Mullins might actually reach that point though.
I wasn't planning on "upgrading"; if I did it'd be to an FM3 mobo with DDR4 so that I can skip DDR3 completely and take advantage of the iGP being considerably faster than my current discrete GPU.

The main thing was that most of us know very well how the likes of K8 and Conroe perform.
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That's what zip ties are for.
Yes.
And what bench is that?
The Athlon 5350 is essentially the same heavily-threaded performance as a G1820, but falls far short in lightly threaded performance.

The price, CPU + board, is the same.
It will not cost less than the G1820 setup. It won't be quieter than the G1820 setup.

It will be slower in many, if not most, games than the G1820 setup.
Yes, possibly less.
The final power consumption might be in the Kabini system's favor, but performance per watt will not.

And does a ~10w difference in gaming power consumption matter that much?
Could be fun, but I have a feeling that multipliers are locked and that everything is running off the same reference clock, so I would not get my hopes up.

multipliers are locked but i guess you are spoiled by intel's lack of FSB/ base clock overclocking and became fully reliant on bumping that multiplier and call it a day

so as long as AMD retains what they always have and have a base clock overclocking the lack of unlocked multiplier is barely a deterrent. just have to go old school with the good ol days of overclocking that is if the chip have any headroom for it
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FM1 and FM2(+) chips ran into issues with reference clock overclocking due to some bug that caused ACHI mode to spaz out past a tad bit over the standard 100mhz rating (Llano could go to 133mhz on some boards, Trinity and beyond start spazzing at about 106mhz and above.) Though this is a completely different platform and doesn't have the SB on the MOBO, so who knows...
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I don't know if everyone already knows this but... this is pretty cool, and could allow some pretty cool possibilities for tiny builds;



can run off of a little external dc supply
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They even put these items in a combo at release to further decrease the price. They're not "Advertising" the combos, so I'm linking them here, for anyone interested in buying these, $15 off a $100 mothebroard+APU combo is pretty nice.

5350 combo list
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N82E16819113364

5150 combo list
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N82E16819113365

3850 combo list
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N82E16819113366

2650 combo list
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N82E16819113367

*edit*

Also, it's more cost/performance effective to buy a single 4gb/8gb stick of RAM for these, due to being single channel.

Managed to get a pretty "quality" system with the 5350+4gb RAM+1TB HDD+ITX case+PSU for $257, with the 3850 it comes down to $237.

Pretty decent budget PCs.
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I don't know if everyone already knows this but... this is pretty cool, and could allow some pretty cool possibilities for tiny builds;



can run off of a little external dc supply

yeh but unfortunately it doesnt have much power breakouts.

from what i can see is that it only has a single sata power plug on board so good luck connecting more stuff to it without alot of adapters. on board molex would be much more useful and we still dont know how much the regulators on the board can handle and down convert 19v to 12, 5, 3v

do love the fact that it has 4 display outs and would support 4k out of the box.
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I don't think this would work well as Steambox. I had a i3-3225, and the HD4000 is faster than the iGPU of the Kabini. I can only play L4D2 on the lowest setting at 60 fps on 1920*1080.

Now imagine trying to play Crysis or BF4 or Far Cry. Your Kanini will implode.
As a actual gaming Steambox it would be indeed a bit too low power, then again you could run the whole system for less than ~200$ so a bit under half the price of a last gen console if desperate. Anyway - as far as Steambox goes I believe this particular hardware niche would be the cheap-as-chips streaming steambox - where your main gaming rig is somewhere else int he house and this is just to get the signal to the living room TV and play on the couch with a controller - leaving "serious gaming" with mouse and keyboard to some other room.

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So it's a two-point corner-to-corner push-pin? Yuck.... won't find many aftermarket HSF for that.


I'm sure something intended for some southbridge or some GFX card core only blocks would fit as the socket seems reasonably small, depends ofc whats the actual distance between the mounting holes. And if desperate and the PC is not rocking around a lot it's probably aslo possible to put something on it with just a thermal tape smile.gif
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yeh but unfortunately it doesnt have much power breakouts.

from what i can see is that it only has a single sata power plug on board so good luck connecting more stuff to it without alot of adapters. on board molex would be much more useful and we still dont know how much the regulators on the board can handle and down convert 19v to 12, 5, 3v

do love the fact that it has 4 display outs and would support 4k out of the box.

For something drawing a modest amount of power you could take some juice from fan header, I'd imagine. But certainly, couple additional power-out headers would have been nice. Although ofc it's more of an issue if powering this with the 19V brick, for people using the internal PSU they will get their juice from there. And I guess it's always possible to use second power brick for 12V and/or 5V things.
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The reviews do not seem to be mentioning overclocking. With these being pretty much SoC I'm left wondering if they do OC or it's pretty much locked down.

Also, the AMD's slogan is a bit bold in regards of these chips - the ‘Quad Core for Less’ - as they are not really a "quad core" - they are two module chips with 4 integer units but only 2 FPU's. By the same logic Intel could enable hyperthreading in one of their cheapest dual core celerons and claim that it's a quad core. AMD spends a little more transistors ont heir version of hyperthreading but in my opinion it's indeed a bit too much marketing to just come and claim they are selling "quad core".
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The reviews do not seem to be mentioning overclocking. With these being pretty much SoC I'm left wondering if they do OC or it's pretty much locked down.

Also, the AMD's slogan is a bit bold in regards of these chips - the ‘Quad Core for Less’ - as they are not really a "quad core" - they are two module chips with 4 integer units but only 2 FPU's. By the same logic Intel could enable hyperthreading in one of their cheapest dual core celerons and claim that it's a quad core. AMD spends a little more transistors ont heir version of hyperthreading but in my opinion it's indeed a bit too much marketing to just come and claim they are selling "quad core".

aye..... this... could start a flame war...
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Originally Posted by Ultracarpet View Post

I don't know if everyone already knows this but... this is pretty cool, and could allow some pretty cool possibilities for tiny builds;



can run off of a little external dc supply
That asrock board is the most expensive one but still you'll save more on the psu going with a block.
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