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aye..... this... could start a flame war...

Well don't get me wrong - I do like Semprons smile.gif I just don't like "marketing statements" that are a bit misleading in my opinion.

It's like producing a 720p display that shows to operating system as 1080p and uses some internal down-sampling and claiming it's a "Full HD" (and perhaps with some asterix a very little note somewhere down that it uses "UBERSAMPLING" proprietary tech and nowhere on box it is explained that this thing means it's actually a 720p display).

Traditionally Semprons have unlocked and overclocked pretty well in the past. I just have no idea if/how it would work out with a SoC. Some overclocking will be supported as according to that Anadtech review AMD has told them that memory can be OC'd past the officially supported 1600 rating. In the same review Anad noted that multiplier was locked down to 20.5 so that leaves just OC through FSB. Hopefully it's decoupled from SATA and PCIe buses or it will be pretty damn hard to OC this thing. OR who knows, perhaps AMD uses something like the Intel's BLCK strapping and they will OC well given adequate cooling.
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The reviews do not seem to be mentioning overclocking. With these being pretty much SoC I'm left wondering if they do OC or it's pretty much locked down.

Also, the AMD's slogan is a bit bold in regards of these chips - the ‘Quad Core for Less’ - as they are not really a "quad core" - they are two module chips with 4 integer units but only 2 FPU's. By the same logic Intel could enable hyperthreading in one of their cheapest dual core celerons and claim that it's a quad core. AMD spends a little more transistors ont heir version of hyperthreading but in my opinion it's indeed a bit too much marketing to just come and claim they are selling "quad core".
Isn't jaguar a true core design rather than modules?
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For those of you even considering a Kabini build for gaming with a dedicated card, name one single situation where an Athlon 5350 + AM1 board would be anywhere near as good as a Celeron G1820 + cheap H61 board?

 

I don't know who would ever consider such a scenario in the first place...

 

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Isn't jaguar a true core design rather than modules?

 

 

As far as I know it is... Jaguar uses cores with all resources to themselves, no shared elements besides L3 I think? Typo. L2.


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Isn't jaguar a true core design rather than modules?

Hm - I'm not sure TBH. I have assumed no but I have not looked it actually up. I would be quite surprised though if it would be as AMD aim has been redirecting floating point loads to GPU with the HSA (which seems to still be a fair bit away for having any meaningful impact on everyday usage).
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As far as I know it is... Jaguar uses cores with all resources to themselves, no shared elements besides L3 I think?

So a "quad core" Jaguar would have four floating point units? Not Two as I assumed based on past APU's and other "module" based desktop parts?
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Hm - I'm not sure TBH. I have assumed no but I have not looked it actually up. I would be quite surprised though if it would be as AMD aim has been redirecting floating point loads to GPU with the HSA (which seems to still be a fair bit away for having any meaningful impact on everyday usage).


It was rumoured that Jaguar cores are true cores, not modules.
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It was rumoured that Jaguar cores are true cores, not modules.
If that's true then it would be a pleasant surprise smile.gif I looked up the AnadTech article about Jaguar but it's not outright clear from there but it does seem plausible.
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Integer performance wasn’t a huge problem with Bobcat to begin with, but floating point performance was a different issue entirely. In our original Brazos review we found that heavily threaded FP workloads were barely faster on Bobcat than they were on Atom. A big part of that had to do with Atom’s support for Hyper Threading. AMD addressed both issues by beefing up FP execution and doubling up the maximum number of CPU cores with Jaguar (more on this later).

Bobcat’s FP execution units were 64-bits wide. Any 128-bit FP operations had to be chunked up and worked on in stages. In Jaguar, AMD moved all of its units to 128-bits wide. AVX operations complete as 2 x 128-bit operations, while all other 128-bit operations can execute without multiple passes through the pipeline. The increase in vector width is responsible for the gains in FP performance.
Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6976/amds-jaguar-architecture-the-cpu-powering-xbox-one-playstation-4-kabini-temash
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The reviews do not seem to be mentioning overclocking. With these being pretty much SoC I'm left wondering if they do OC or it's pretty much locked down.

Also, the AMD's slogan is a bit bold in regards of these chips - the ‘Quad Core for Less’ - as they are not really a "quad core" - they are two module chips with 4 integer units but only 2 FPU's. By the same logic Intel could enable hyperthreading in one of their cheapest dual core celerons and claim that it's a quad core. AMD spends a little more transistors ont heir version of hyperthreading but in my opinion it's indeed a bit too much marketing to just come and claim they are selling "quad core".

Kabini doesnt use modules like fx.The IPC is quite higher than fx part


Unlike Bulldozer and its variants, Jaguar does not utilize a “modular” architecture. Each core in Jaguar is self sufficient with its own floating point unit, as compared to the shared unit with each dual core “module” in Bulldozer/Piledriver/Steamroller. The only thing shared is the decently sized L2 cache, which is 2 MB in size.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-AM1-Athlon-5350-Reviewed-Low-Power-Low-Price-APU-Masses
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If that's true then it would be a pleasant surprise smile.gif I looked up the AnadTech article about Jaguar but it's not outright clear from there but it does seem plausible.
Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6976/amds-jaguar-architecture-the-cpu-powering-xbox-one-playstation-4-kabini-temash


This appeared on the techpowerup site in February 2013 " The four cores, unlike Bulldozer modules, are completely independent, and only share a 2 MB L2 cache"
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Kabini doesnt use modules like fx.The IPC is quite higher than fx part
 

 

And not only that. Performance per watt is close to twice that of Richland.

   
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