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This appeared on the techpowerup site in February 2013 " The four cores, unlike Bulldozer modules, are completely independent, and only share a 2 MB L2 cache"

In that case I stand corrected. Thanx.
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As far as I know it is... Jaguar uses cores with all resources to themselves, no shared elements besides L3 I think?

So a "quad core" Jaguar would have four floating point units? Not Two as I assumed based on past APU's and other "module" based desktop parts?

Hey hey hey. Don't be rude. Stars had true cores! wink.gif Is it sad that the only easily available "true" octacore CPU is found in a PS4? Anyway, since there isn't a hard definition on a CPU core, it isn't inaccurate to call an FX-8000 a quadcore with hardware-level hyperthreading. At the same time, saying it's an octacore with cut-down FPUs isn't inaccurate either.
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Hey hey hey. Don't be rude. Stars had true cores! wink.gif Is it sad that the only easily available "true" octacore CPU is found in a PS4? Anyway, since there isn't a hard definition on a CPU core, it isn't inaccurate to call an FX-8000 a quadcore with hardware-level hyperthreading. At the same time, saying it's an octacore with cut-down FPUs isn't inaccurate either.

I have been biased against Bulldozer because I'm running floating point heavy loads. So for my purposes CPU has as many cores as it has FPU units wink.gif Granted I would be quite unlikely to do a Jaguar based APU system for running these floating point heavy loads. By the same logic the CPU I'm currently on is a quad core part. When I fire up 8 threads my per thread performance more or less halves roughly on i7-3820.
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The price/performance is pretty nice, but I'd not be surprised if doubling the single channel memory is gimping the GPU performance.
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I'm using a Brisbane 4800+ in my main desktop PC...

My old Desktop is still ruining Mobile Athlon XP 1500+ clocked to 2ghz. (originaly 1333mhz) for the past 10 years


I realty would like to try to run Minecraft server on Kabini.
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K15 modules are dual-core clusters, there's no hyper-threading involved. The entire architecture is loosely based on the old DEC Alpha 21264 architecture, which was a beast processor/uarch at the time. The reasons for the hamstrung performance isn't so much the fact that each module has one FPU, but rather the fact that the uarch itself has several bottlenecks that prevent the ideal throughput being reached. People have to remember that the idea of Bulldozer was already blatantly stated well before it even released by the engineers themselves, who claimed that the focus wasn't on single-threaded perf, but highly-parallel multi-threaded performance (hence the debut of octocore parts and the modular architecture.) They even said that Bulldozer may be either on par with or slower than Stars (which turned out to be true), but we all know how that turned out in the enthusiast community...

Anyway, the definition of what a "core" is has changed many times over the year, but that doesn't change the fact that any of the K15 parts have the exact amount of cores that AMD says they do. An FX octocore is just as much of an 8-core as the console's SoC APU's are. Yes, an FX-8350 might match an IB quad-core, but that's simply because the Intel cores are much more efficient per core, not only because the K15 cores share a single FPU per dual-core cluster. K15's FPU is actually more flexible and efficient than K10's in most cases, but if you want a more in-depth look into confirmed and potential bottlenecks of the K15 uarch so far, check out Agner's results at his site.
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By the same logic the CPU I'm currently on is a quad core part. When I fire up 8 threads my per thread performance more or less halves roughly on i7-3820.

Hyper-threading can sometimes offer a negative impact, depending on the nature of the workload. Conversely, hyper-threaded virtual cores don't offer anywhere close to the amount of throughput the real physical cores do, getting you 5~10% boosts in most workloads, and 20~25% in a best case scenario. This is why people saying AMD's module system is HT-based are making erronenous statements, because the K15 parts are all physical cores, even if the performance doesn't match that (one thread is 100% throughput while the second is around 80% on Bulldozer and Piledriver, second thread is 90~99% or something on Steamroller.)
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Would make for a great/cheap HTPC. Toss one of these into a small case with a cheap/high capacity hard drive and low wattage PSU, and baby you got stew goin.
    
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For those of you even considering a Kabini build for gaming with a dedicated card, name one single situation where an Athlon 5350 + AM1 board would be anywhere near as good as a Celeron G1820 + cheap H61 board?

The only edge the AM1 platform has is moderately better absolute power consumption, and as soon as you add a GPU of any power, you 'll throw away any performance/watt edge, even if the system itself pulls 20w less at the wall.
The CPU will hold you back far more than a 4x PCI-E lane ever would.

well stacking high end GPUs with an AM1 platform still makes sense if its for mining
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Can this overclock? I looked around I could not see anything about it overclocking.
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What would be the benefit of using this compared to a FM2 socket ITX motherboard? This seems interesting as a low-budget HTPC but is it worth getting over a FM2 APU?
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