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Thanks for the replies. So, on the NH-D15S, a single 140mm Thermalright TY-147A will cool better than two 120mm Phanteks PH-120MP_BK PWM (I can't find the Cooljag; the stock fan is seriously ugly, not to mention it won't match my chassis fans)? Would adding a 120mm Phanteks in front of the cooler with the 140mm Thermalright in the middle improve cooling or would that just be dumb?


The reason you go with the Thermalright is the same reason you would go with a retail NF-A15. When you use that 1200 RPM + the stock fan + LNA (also 1200 rpm) you get a quieter heatsink that matches the cooling of the single stock fan without LNA at 1500 rpm. An TY-147A is cheaper than buying another NF-A15.

You would not run the NH-D15 without that stock fan, however. It came with the heatsink, so it is free. And it's a great fan. You simply want to mate it with the TY-147A -- two slower fans are quieter than one faster fan. As I said, run the Noctua with the LNA. Try it with the Noctua in the middle and the Thermalright in the middle. One of the two arrangements will be cooler by a degree or so.

The stock fan is just too ugly to even consider (plus, all my case fans are black and white). While there is enough room for a 140mm fan in the middle slot, I only have room for 120mm fans on the positions on the outside positions of the cooler.
     
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Thanks for the replies. So, on the NH-D15S, a single 140mm Thermalright TY-147A will cool better than two 120mm Phanteks PH-120MP_BK PWM (I can't find the Cooljag; the stock fan is seriously ugly, not to mention it won't match my chassis fans)? Would adding a 120mm Phanteks in front of the cooler with the 140mm Thermalright in the middle improve cooling or would that just be dumb?


The reason you go with the Thermalright is the same reason you would go with a retail NF-A15. When you use that 1200 RPM + the stock fan + LNA (also 1200 rpm) you get a quieter heatsink that matches the cooling of the single stock fan without LNA at 1500 rpm. An TY-147A is cheaper than buying another NF-A15.

You would not run the NH-D15 without that stock fan, however. It came with the heatsink, so it is free. And it's a great fan. You simply want to mate it with the TY-147A -- two slower fans are quieter than one faster fan. As I said, run the Noctua with the LNA. Try it with the Noctua in the middle and the Thermalright in the middle. One of the two arrangements will be cooler by a degree or so.

The stock fan is just too ugly to even consider (plus, all my case fans are black and white). While there is enough room for a 140mm fan in the middle slot, I only have room for 120mm fans on the positions on the outside positions of the cooler.


Too bad. Maybe you'd have more room with low profile RAM?

 

As for the stock fan, you can paint the outside black and hide the innards by making it the middle fan.

 

Putting a 120mm fan on a D15? I haven't done that since the D14 days. I stopped when I found a TY-140. I used low profile RAM, so two TY-140's were quiet and fit the bill. But really, the NF-A15 is a fine fan. Keep it, and find a way to use a 140mm front fan. You'll like it.

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Thanks for the replies. So, on the NH-D15S, a single 140mm Thermalright TY-147A will cool better than two 120mm Phanteks PH-120MP_BK PWM (I can't find the Cooljag; the stock fan is seriously ugly, not to mention it won't match my chassis fans)? Would adding a 120mm Phanteks in front of the cooler with the 140mm Thermalright in the middle improve cooling or would that just be dumb?



The reason you go with the Thermalright is the same reason you would go with a retail NF-A15. When you use that 1200 RPM + the stock fan + LNA (also 1200 rpm) you get a quieter heatsink that matches the cooling of the single stock fan without LNA at 1500 rpm. An TY-147A is cheaper than buying another NF-A15.


You would not run the NH-D15 without that stock fan, however. It came with the heatsink, so it is free. And it's a great fan. You simply want to mate it with the TY-147A -- two slower fans are quieter than one faster fan. As I said, run the Noctua with the LNA. Try it with the Noctua in the middle and the Thermalright in the middle. One of the two arrangements will be cooler by a degree or so.


The stock fan is just too ugly to even consider (plus, all my case fans are black and white). While there is enough room for a 140mm fan in the middle slot, I only have room for 120mm fans on the positions on the outside positions of the cooler.


Too bad. Maybe you'd have more room with low profile RAM?

As for the stock fan, you can paint the outside black and hide the innards by making it the middle fan.

Putting a 120mm fan on a D15? I haven't done that since the D14 days. I stopped when I found a TY-140. I used low profile RAM, so two TY-140's were quiet and fit the bill. But really, the NF-A15 is a fine fan. Keep it, and find a way to use a 140mm front fan. You'll like it.

You aren't paying attention. There simply is NOT room for a 140mm fan on the outside positions. The RAM I have is a G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 64GB (8 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 (PC4 17000) Memory Kit Model F4-2133C15Q2-64GRB kit, the lowest profile DDR4 kit I could find in blue.
     
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The single vs double fan even on NH-D15 or NH-D15S is 0-2 c difference maximum .. to me that is a moot issue.
Same is true of actual sound level, 0-2 dB(A) difference .. less than our ears can notice.

Optimizing case airflow and using temp / rpm profiles on case fans makes way more difference in both temp and noise levels. wink.gif
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The single vs double fan even on NH-D15 or NH-D15S is 0-2 c difference maximum .. to me that is a moot issue.
Same is true of actual sound level, 0-2 dB(A) difference .. less than our ears can notice.

Optimizing case airflow and using temp / rpm profiles on case fans makes way more difference in both temp and noise levels. wink.gif

Thanks for the straight answer! I'll use a single 140mm then, probably the Thermalright TY-147A.
     
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Thanks for the straight answer! I'll use a single 140mm then, probably the Thermalright TY-147A.
Indeed! Its black housing w/ white fan is nice. NF-A15 is a good fan, just ugly colors and over priced .. TY-147A is $17.99 compared to NF-A15 being $23.94 Here they are £10.95 versus £21.15 and in Europe they are EUR 13,90 vsrsus EUR 21,90. Rather a no brainer, even without considering the desert camo Noc colors.
Another option if you wanted white housing w/ black fan would be PH-F140HP I. It has same performance specs as PH-F140MP which sounds very good to meI. I need to do some a/b comparisons of PH-F140HP II versus TY-147A. To date the TY-14x series have nicest sound to me on case and cooler .. that is once they get loud enough to hear. tongue.gif

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Model NO :      PH-F140MP_BK    PH-F140MP_BBK
UPC Code :      886523000655    886523000839
Fan Dimensions        140 x 140 x 25mm
Speed (RPM)           500-1600 ± 250 rpm
Max Airflow           68.1 CFM
Acoustical Noise      17-25.3 dB (A)
Static Pressure       1.62 mm H2O
Input Current         0.2 A
Rate VoltageDC        12V
Input Power           2.4 W
MTBF                  >150,000 h
Speed Sensor          4 pins


Model NO :      PH-F140HP_BK2   PH-F140HP_WT2
UPC Code :      886523000716    886523000723
Fan Dimensions        140 x 140 x 25mm
Speed (RPM)           500-1600 ± 250 rpm
Max Airflow           68.1 CFM
Acoustical Noise      25 dB (A)
Static Pressure       1.62 mm H2O
Input Current         0.2 A
Rate VoltageDC        12V
Input Power           2.4 W
MTBF                  >150,000 h
Speed Sensor          4 pins

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Thanks for the straight answer! I'll use a single 140mm then, probably the Thermalright TY-147A.
Indeed! Its black housing w/ white fan is nice. NF-A15 is a good fan, just ugly colors and over priced .. TY-147A is $17.99 compared to NF-A15 being $23.94 Here they are £10.95 versus £21.15 and in Europe they are EUR 13,90 vsrsus EUR 21,90. Rather a no brainer, even without considering the desert camo Noc colors.
Another option if you wanted white housing w/ black fan would be PH-F140HP I. It has same performance specs as PH-F140MP which sounds very good to meI. I need to do some a/b comparisons of PH-F140HP II versus TY-147A. To date the TY-14x series have nicest sound to me on case and cooler .. that is once they get loud enough to hear. tongue.gif

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                      BLACK/WHITE      BLACK/BLACK
Model NO :      PH-F140MP_BK    PH-F140MP_BBK
UPC Code :      886523000655    886523000839
Fan Dimensions        140 x 140 x 25mm
Speed (RPM)           500-1600 ± 250 rpm
Max Airflow           68.1 CFM
Acoustical Noise      17-25.3 dB (A)
Static Pressure       1.62 mm H2O
Input Current         0.2 A
Rate VoltageDC        12V
Input Power           2.4 W
MTBF                  >150,000 h
Speed Sensor          4 pins


Model NO :      PH-F140HP_BK2   PH-F140HP_WT2
UPC Code :      886523000716    886523000723
Fan Dimensions        140 x 140 x 25mm
Speed (RPM)           500-1600 ± 250 rpm
Max Airflow           68.1 CFM
Acoustical Noise      25 dB (A)
Static Pressure       1.62 mm H2O
Input Current         0.2 A
Rate VoltageDC        12V
Input Power           2.4 W
MTBF                  >150,000 h
Speed Sensor          4 pins

'Tis curious you would post that since, shortly after I last posted, I was browsing though geggeg's Thermalbench reviews and spotted this fan. I'm already have the 120mm version of this fan for my case fans (the intakes will be pulling through a pleated paper furnace filter; the exhaust will use the same fans just for convenience). Geggeg's reviews give the round TY-147A a rating of only 80, saying it's not really for use as a radiator fan (I suspect due to its rounded shape). The square version got a rating of 85. I couldn't find the square version and could find the round version in only one place on my side of the pond. Amazon lists it for a Marketplace vendor and carries the merchandise in Amazon's own warehouses and ships it themselves. I have had so much trouble with misbegotten Amazon lately, I'm avoiding ordering from them like the plague. The Marketplace vendor is Nan's Fans (or something like that). I found their website but it was still down due to vacation two days after it was supposed to be back up.

The Phanteks got the same rating so I ordered a couple from Newegg (one for the cooler and one for a spare). My mail service has already received them and I'll pick them up next week.
     
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'Tis curious you would post that since, shortly after I last posted, I was browsing though geggeg's Thermalbench reviews and spotted this fan. I'm already have the 120mm version of this fan for my case fans (the intakes will be pulling through a pleated paper furnace filter; the exhaust will use the same fans just for convenience). Geggeg's reviews give the round TY-147A a rating of only 80, saying it's not really for use as a radiator fan (I suspect due to its rounded shape). The square version got a rating of 85. I couldn't find the square version and could find the round version in only one place on my side of the pond. Amazon lists it for a Marketplace vendor and carries the merchandise in Amazon's own warehouses and ships it themselves. I have had so much trouble with misbegotten Amazon lately, I'm avoiding ordering from them like the plague. The Marketplace vendor is Nan's Fans (or something like that). I found their website but it was still down due to vacation two days after it was supposed to be back up.

The Phanteks got the same rating so I ordered a couple from Newegg (one for the cooler and one for a spare). My mail service has already received them and I'll pick them up next week.
I love geggeg's testing but don't follow his overall ratings. Maybe they include availability, because the performance of fans is often better than is rating% shows. Square version does not perform as well as round version .. either in his testing or by any others. I've been using both round forever and square for more than 6 months, and while specs and testing can show a slight difference it is too little for me to see in actual application. In other words, on coolers and as case fans the both run so close to same temps at same speeds I am not able to say one is better than other.

Vender is Nan's Gaming Gear. They are the only Thermalright dealer in USA now. Try a month and 2 days. They went on 'vacation' the end of Junes to be back July 7th. it's now August 13th and website is till not back up.
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'Tis curious you would post that since, shortly after I last posted, I was browsing though geggeg's Thermalbench reviews and spotted this fan. I'm already have the 120mm version of this fan for my case fans (the intakes will be pulling through a pleated paper furnace filter; the exhaust will use the same fans just for convenience). Geggeg's reviews give the round TY-147A a rating of only 80, saying it's not really for use as a radiator fan (I suspect due to its rounded shape). The square version got a rating of 85. I couldn't find the square version and could find the round version in only one place on my side of the pond. Amazon lists it for a Marketplace vendor and carries the merchandise in Amazon's own warehouses and ships it themselves. I have had so much trouble with misbegotten Amazon lately, I'm avoiding ordering from them like the plague. The Marketplace vendor is Nan's Fans (or something like that). I found their website but it was still down due to vacation two days after it was supposed to be back up.

The Phanteks got the same rating so I ordered a couple from Newegg (one for the cooler and one for a spare). My mail service has already received them and I'll pick them up next week.
I love geggeg's testing but don't follow his overall ratings. Maybe they include availability, because the performance of fans is often better than is rating% shows. Square version does not perform as well as round version .. either in his testing or by any others. I've been using both round forever and square for more than 6 months, and while specs and testing can show a slight difference it is too little for me to see in actual application. In other words, on coolers and as case fans the both run so close to same temps at same speeds I am not able to say one is better than other.

Vender is Nan's Gaming Gear. They are the only Thermalright dealer in USA now. Try a month and 2 days. They went on 'vacation' the end of Junes to be back July 7th. it's now August 13th and website is till not back up.

You're correct about the name of the vendor and how long it has been shut down; I just had an episode of cerebral flatulence when I posted. rolleyes.gif

I read the entire reviews on Thermalbench but the score at the end is a handy reference for me. I do keep in mind that he may adjust a score for certain factors such as cost (which he does explain, fortunately). There wasn't much difference in actual performance between the square and round version of the Thermalright. The Phanteks had similar performance so the factors I based my decision on was availability and similarity to my case fans (yeah, I know, I'm picky).

Now, if Noctua would just hurry up and come out with that cover for the heatpipes on the NH-D15 that they flaunted at CES...
     
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{moved to the Noctua Club, I think my question would be more appropriate there, sorry for the confusion}
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