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Thread cleaned up a bit guys, lets focus on the build requirements.

That said, @gizmo J

What is the REAL budget, I dont believe you mentioned it and you have people trying to help you. Once a hard number is put out, then the real debate can begin. Not to mention, do you need a copy of windows or already have one? THats an extra $100 right there.
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For reference my 755m SLI reaches around 65% in game with BF3 with no AA @ 1080p

I have been told that my mobile GPU's are close to a GTX 660, never bothered to confirm that though
    
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The short version:
I'm also surprised how many of you left out an SSD in your builds, especially for the ones which ended up over $700. An SSD is basically a necessity these days, IMO.

Things simply feel so...slow...without an SSD.

Instead of an SSD cant you just get 2 hybrid HDD such as this and put it in raid 0?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EIQTOFY/?tag=pcpapi-20

The new "hybrid" HDD are suppose to have over twice the read/write speeds as regular HDDs

You'll get ALOT more GBs this route.

The performance difference isn't even close to a true SSD, unfortunately.

Going from a standard hard drive to SSD --> you WILL notice the difference

Going from a hybrid hard drive to SSD --> you WILL notice the difference

Going from a standard hard drive to a hybrid one --> sometimes you'll notice an improvement, other times not
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The short version:

<$600 budget: FX-6300 + R7 265 or GTX 750 Ti

~$600-800 budget: FX-8320 or i5-4430 + GTX 660Ti or GTX 760

~900-$1000+ budget: 4670K + R9 280X or GTX 770

I'm also surprised how many of you left out an SSD in your builds, especially for the ones which ended up over $700. An SSD is basically a necessity these days, IMO.

Things simply feel so...slow...without an SSD.

An SSD is a luxury, not a necessity. That's why I left it out and that's why everyone else left it out. BF4 will play just as good on a 1TB HDD as it will on a 240GB SSD.

The issue is that most people are leaving the OS out of the build price. Windows 8 is a critical part of the build, and it's $100. Without it, the build simply does not work. Windows 7 is not sufficient for BF4 to run at its best.

Anyone can cut corners and give someone a $650 build that plays BF4, runs hot, and risks their system's components from a subpar PSU possibly giving out. It takes guts to see the price restriction and still suggest a build with good, high-quality components. I think that's the biggest issue here.

I think we may have to just agree to disagree here, but what would you say is the issue with using a cheaper PSU like the Corsair CX600 in a system which might have a total power draw of around 250-275W? (e.g. i5-4430 + GTX 660Ti like I listed above). I don't think it's "cutting corners" at all. Rather, I think of it as prioritizing which components to spend more money on first.

Like you, I'm very much a fan of high quality PSUs, and I had no issues spending the money on a Seasonic X-750. But sometimes budgets can be tight, and given the choice between a decent PSU like a CX600 vs. a good PSU like a Capstone, I'd take the cheaper PSU and spend the difference on a better graphics card or SSD. In a low-power system like this, it's unlikely that the OP would ever notice a difference between a CX600 and a Capstone 550.

The CX600 isn't some bargain basement PSU. It's based on a solid CWT DSA II platform and is capable of outputting the full 600W. Pair it up with a system that doesn't even draw 300W under max load, and I honestly do not think that would present any issues. It's not like I'm suggesting he try to run an SLI setup on a CX600, after all.
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With 24GB Caching M.2 NGFF drive, I cant tell the difference and I have had several SSD's in previous builds

Though this is subjective at best, and only pertains to my own personal scenarios since thats what the caching drive is there for
    
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AMD play all current games just fine, and as BF4 illustrates; are better at future games. The 3570/4670k are great cpus, but in all honestly I quickly see a FX 6300 or 8320 doing better as games are more and more multithreaded to take advantage of the additional cores AMD offers. Continuing to recommend a quad core intel over a 6-8 core AMD reminds me of when people were recommending the E8400 over the Q6600 because the E8400 overclocked higher and no game will ever need more than 2 cores .... right ?

its not even close, this would have been like recommending a Pentium 4 over an Athlon 64 because the P4 had hyper-threading and would be more future-proof.

Bulldozer architecture is practically a marketing scam built into the hardware, not unlike Intel's hyperthreading; we should judge AMD's parts based on their modules, not their cores, because that's closer to how they perform (well, ideally we'd judge them strictly on their real world performance; giving any weight to how many cores/threads between similarly priced chips has been ridiculous for years now), and that's only with properly optimized software... (ie Intel cores + HT still end up faster than AMD modules and "cores", but at least it isn't so lopsided when put in that perspective).

Mantle and multithread optimized games only help AMD to catch up to Intel, not beat them...for the 99% of games that do not have mantle and are not optimized for more than 4 threads, you're much better off with Intel if you can afford it (also have to keep in mind that Mantle is mostly an advantage for AMD GPUs, because offloading CPU work can actually help out intel CPUs just as much as it helps out AMD CPUs; the i3 becomes surprisingly viable when we're considering Mantle, and there's no way I'd recommend an i3 as the basis of a gaming rig unless it was just a place holder for a quick upgrade to an i5 or better)

I'd go as far to say that only practical reason to go AMD at this point is if you're budget is so inflexible that you simply cannot afford to go Intel (and you still need to overclock the AMD build for that move to make sense, otherwise there are cheaper i5 options, or even better, buy a previous gen i7 used).

It also doesn't help that AMD's FX platform is getting long in the tooth; 990FX is almost 3 years old...

Also, AMD being better for future games is absurd when we consider that AMD is now only ever "as-good" as intel parts when we're largely, if not completely, GPU limited and/or as CPU optimized as we ever have been



All that being said, from what the OP has divulged it does sound like AMD could be a good choice for him, although if his budget is flexible enough that he can afford an i5 4670K, I would very much recommend he go that route, as that platform at least holds the promise of dropping in a 4770K, 4790K, or possibly even Broadwell when the time comes, and it will likely never be slower than AMD even with the 4670K.
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The performance difference isn't even close to a true SSD, unfortunately.

Going from a standard hard drive to SSD --> you WILL notice the difference

Going from a hybrid hard drive to SSD --> you WILL notice the difference

Going from standard hard drive to SSD --> sometimes you'll notice an improvement, other times not

There is no gaming performance gains from a SSD, just faster load times (which I love).

Proof:
Hard ocp test:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/12/10/hdd_vs_ssd_real_world_gaming_performance/#.U0c58vldWio
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There is no gaming performance gains from a SSD, just faster load times (which I love).

Proof:
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Didnt WoW and other large MMO's benefit from SSD's?

Those games seem mostly Single Player and 64 max units (BF)
    
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Didnt WoW and other large MMO's benefit from SSD's?

Those games seem mostly Single Player and 64 max units (BF)

That I am unsure of.
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Didnt WoW and other large MMO's benefit from SSD's?

Those games seem mostly Single Player and 64 max units (BF)

If the game caches game resources to RAM, then there is no benefit outside of loading times. Every benchmark I've run has been with BF4 on a 3TB HDD, not my 120GB SSD. So far, I haven't run into any performance issues.

An SSD is a luxury, one that is not needed for this build. If the OP wants to splurge $60-80ish for a 120GB SSD, then fantastic. It will make the build better for sure... but it is not a requirement.
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