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Are you able to become the administrator? Here's a quick way to know if you're the administrator:

 

AdministratorProofNoRedBox.png

 

 

If you're NOT the administrator, then you will see this (regardless of the type of account Windows 8.1 says you have):

 

AdministratorNoMore.png

 

 

I'm interested in buying a copy of Windows 8.1, but I don't want to have to buy 8.1 Pro just to get secpol.msc (Local Security Policy - explanation below). I am hoping to be able to just use net user administrator /active:yes and then just switch over to the administrator account as my primary/only account.

 

Ok, so here's the explanation as promised: in secpol.msc (I think that it has to be opened as an administrator). expand Local Policies, expand Security Options, scroll all the way down to User Account Control: Run all administrators in Admin Approval Mode, double-click it and then set it to Disabled and reboot. Well, actually, I think it would be a good idea to set UAC to Never Notify first, but still. However, doing disabling Admin Approval Mode will mean that all Modern Apps (or Start Apps or Metro Apps, whatever you want to call them) will no longer be able to open. The same is true for the administrator account: Modern Apps can't open in the Administrator account. Of course, I don't care because I don't use them - nor do I want to.

 

Anyway, I'm hoping to spend less on the plain 8.1 and still be able to become the administrator like I'm able to do in the 90-Day Windows 8.1 Enterprise Evaluation. Money is kind of tight. Y'know?

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I'm interested in buying a copy of Windows 8.1, but I don't want to have to buy 8.1 Pro just to get secpol.msc (Local Security Policy - explanation below). I am hoping to be able to just use net user administrator /active:yes and then just switch over to the administrator account as my primary/only account.

Ok, so here's the explanation as promised: in secpol.msc (I think that it has to be opened as an administrator). expand Local Policies, expand Security Options, scroll all the way down to User Account Control: Run all administrators in Admin Approval Mode, double-click it and then set it to Disabled and reboot. Well, actually, I think it would be a good idea to set UAC to Never Notify first, but still. However, doing disabling Admin Approval Mode will mean that all Modern Apps (or Start Apps or Metro Apps, whatever you want to call them) will no longer be able to open. The same is true for the administrator account: Modern Apps can't open in the Administrator account. Of course, I don't care because I don't use them - nor do I want to.

    All that setting in the Local Security Policy editor does is change the value of "EnableLUA" in "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System".  Admin approval mode (UAC) enabled is 1, and disabled is 0.  You can manually change that value in any client version of Windows from Vista onward to totally disable UAC. thumb.gif
 
Edited by Techie007 - 4/11/14 at 11:57pm
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    All that setting in the Local Security Policy editor does is change the value of "EnableLUA" in "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System".  Admin approval mode (UAC) enabled is 1, and disabled is 0.  You can manually change that value in any version of Windows from Vista onward to totally disable UAC. thumb.gif

 

Whoa, even in what I guess could be called 8.1 Home Premium? So, doing that would make me the administrator, meaning that I would see this?

 

AdministratorProofNoRedBox.png

 

 

Instead of this?

 

AdministratorNoMore.png 

 

If I could easily become the administrator on my personal Windows 8.1 account without needing 8.1 Pro, then that would be awesome.

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    While I don't have an installation of Windows 8.1 "Home" to test it on, this page indicates that it is supported.  I know it works in Vista Home Premium and in my Windows 8.1 Preview VM.  Perhaps someone here running Windows 8.1 "Home" (non-Pro) can test the above registry tweak for us just to be sure?
 
Edited by Techie007 - 4/11/14 at 11:40pm
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    While I don't have an installation of Windows 8.1 "Home" to test it on, this page indicates that it is supported.  I know it works in Vista Home Premium and in my Windows 8.1 Preview VM.  Perhaps someone here running Windows 8.1 "Home" (non-Pro) can test the above registry tweak for us just to be sure?
 

 

That would be cool, but it looks to me too like they're saying that it applies to 8.1 just as much as it it does 8.1 Pro. They're also showing it applying to Windows 7 Starter and Home Basic. So I dunno, that's almost totally enough for me!

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250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
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