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What happened with AMD that they've fallen so far behind Intel?

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Intel's gearing up to release 14 nm chips, while AMD's still on 32 nm. Does AMD even have plans for a 22 nm chip?

It seems like they just don't have the $$ to pour into R&D to advance their technology. All of their products are inferior in almost every way. An AMD CPU uses more power, generates more heat, and does less calculations / second then Intel's CPUs. The only redeeming quality is the fact that they're cheaper, and they're only cheaper because the company has to sell an inferior product cheaper for it to sell.

At this point it seems like the gap is only going to widen. Intel has essentially a bottomless pit of money to dump into R&D, while AMD's struggling to stay alive.
post #2 of 15
AMD has their resources invested in their APUs and is not really interested in competing in the desktop computing market.
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Originally Posted by friend'scatdied View Post

AMD has their resources invested in their APUs and is not really interested in competing in the desktop computing market.

Laptops/tablets need even MORE efficient CPUs, and going to 32 -> 22 -> 14 benefits the APU market as well.
post #4 of 15
AMD publicly stated a few years ago they were no longer competing with Intel.

And for many people, Intel is a waste of a money since they won't use the extra performance that those Intel chips give. Their going after a different market than Intel. That's all.
 
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Intel has an unlimited wallet...that's what happened
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Originally Posted by demoship View Post

Laptops/tablets need even MORE efficient CPUs, and going to 32 -> 22 -> 14 benefits the APU market as well.

Sure, but they don't have access to the same level of resources. I don't think they can compete with Intel on the laptop front, either. Their largest benefit is from the GPU package on their APUs and who knows how long that will last for?

It's been Pax Intel since the Pentium M though I do hope AMD comes up with the next miracle as I really like them.
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post #7 of 15
Acutally, IIRCC, AMD is now top-to-bottom 28nm, with the exception of FX, which is 32.Intel has its own fabs, while AMD and Nvidia must rely on GF and TSMC. They can only move forward as fast as the foundries can. Also, just becauase a node is smaller than another, doesen't make that instanly a better node wink.gif

AMD's focus is no longer conventional desktop, the APU is the future. Remember that Handbrake-version with OpenCL for the 6800k? It was faster than a 3960x...And that was without HSA or any of the other features that Kaveri has thumb.gif
post #8 of 15
The problems actually started in the late 90s. Jerry Sanders, who made AMD and built it up, is also the man who started its demise. AMD got a break in the late 90s when it gained Atiq Raza; he led AMD to the Athlon that actually beat Intel at the time. Sanders was wild with AMDs money and was making really dumb moves with all the income they were having in the late 90s and early 2000s... Raza was not impressed and had a falling out with Sanders which caused Raza to leave the company. Not to mention this was also around the time where Intel was bribing OEMs... Sanders quit not too long after all of this happened, and since then AMD has been trying to get back on track.
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post #9 of 15
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Acutally, IIRCC, AMD is now top-to-bottom 28nm, with the exception of FX, which is 32.Intel has its own fabs, while AMD and Nvidia must rely on GF and TSMC. They can only move forward as fast as the foundries can. Also, just becauase a node is smaller than another, doesen't make that instanly a better node wink.gif

AMD's focus is no longer conventional desktop, the APU is the future. Remember that Handbrake-version with OpenCL for the 6800k? It was faster than a 3960x...And that was without HSA or any of the other features that Kaveri has thumb.gif

Oh, I wasn't aware of that fact.

Well that explains why ATI (is that brand name still used? or is it just AMD now?) and Nvidia have such similar performing cards.

Yeah, that gives Intel another huge edge. They control everything top to bottom and can spend tons of money on upgrading their fabs as well. Something GF/TSMC don't have the luxury of doing.
post #10 of 15
Plain and simple it comes down to management history so bad that it's an oft cited example of how not to run a company. My father is the CFO at a F500 Co, and despite having no interest in computers, he knows the whole AMD story. They are the prototypical example of why you never stop developing products a decade or so in the future, and why you celebrate success but use the money to further ensure company growth.

AMD had a parking lot full of Porsche's and Ferrari's, and people were chastised if they didn't have AT LEASTa Rolex...

QQuite frankly I find it hilarious when people defend them naively, by saying they're the more "ethical" company. My sister just got her MBA and she said that AMD was used frequently as a "cautionary tale", specifically of how a promising company can even put the best product on the market (the real FX), but mismanagement and hubris can and will prevent that company from ever being anything more than a has been...

I am not in the business field, just relaying what I have heard.

I do recommend doing some real research into the history of the company...
   
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