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Seems odd for them make Windows treat desktop programs and metro apps so differently, the suspension make sense but if it's that great why not do the same for desktop applications, y'know?

OT: On the topic of store apps, are there any actual "must have" apps that would make it worth the effort of me using the store for the first time ever? hahaha
Also, do you think there are any benefits to running say Chrome and IE (or any program for that matter) in metro mode vs desktop mode, such as performance or security?

To me the best apps are the ones that actually came preinstalled like finance, news, weather, people and so on..
    
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Seems odd for them make Windows treat desktop programs and metro apps so differently, the suspension make sense but if it's that great why not do the same for desktop applications, y'know?

Because you can't. You can't just suspend the threads of a desktop application without it knowing. And how would you detect it? Windows store apps have a single window. Desktop apps can have many. Desktop applications automatically tear down their process when the main window is closed (the main window receives a WM_DESTROY message and calls PostQuitMessage so the message loop exits, returns to main and the kernel takes down the process). So here, the desktop application controls its life time - changing that behavior is not possible.

Windows store apps are a new ecosystem where they have much less control and Windows manages their lifetime.
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forgot to ask, can i use the G keys on my g19 to link app?
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forgot to ask, can i use the G keys on my g19 to link app?

Um. I don't know. Maybe.
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To me the best apps are the ones that actually came preinstalled like finance, news, weather, people and so on..

I use Windows Embedded, the only preinstalled apps are things like file manager and camera so I can only assume I'd have to grab those from the store or sideload them some how, hence: are they worth it?
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Because you can't. You can't just suspend the threads of a desktop application without it knowing. And how would you detect it? Windows store apps have a single window. Desktop apps can have many. Desktop applications automatically tear down their process when the main window is closed (the main window receives a WM_DESTROY message and calls PostQuitMessage so the message loop exits, returns to main and the kernel takes down the process). So here, the desktop application controls its life time - changing that behavior is not possible.

Windows store apps are a new ecosystem where they have much less control and Windows manages their lifetime.

Makes sense, but am I wrong in thinking that Windows does that sort of thing when it comes to things like sleep and hibernate, I mean, can you not put some processes in that state and not others?
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Makes sense, but am I wrong in thinking that Windows does that sort of thing when it comes to things like sleep and hibernate, I mean, can you not put some processes in that state and not others?

Sleep and hibernate are power states. Hibernate copies process working sets to disk, while sleep just stops drivers and instructs ACPI to sleep the machine (errr... quite simply). They are global - we know when it happens because the user asks for it.

Power states are entirely different to suspending threads. Sure you can suspend all a processes' threads (and that's what it does for new Windows store apps), but you can't do it for desktop applications (as explained already smile.gif)

You could also introduce deadlocks into the system especially if another desktop application is waiting on a thread that gets suspended. In this state, it'll never get signaled and the process basically hangs. Not an issue for Windows store apps because they can't do this.
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Good news everyone!

It is ready for testing use by a limited amount of people. This is not because I'm an ass (well I might be normally, but that's not the reason this time tongue.gif), its just because limiting it makes it easier to manage smile.gif

So I would like to request FIVE people who would like to participate in the initial testing run. I will need a mix of Windows 7 and Windows 8 (including 8.1) users.

In order to participate, please send me a PM with the version of Windows you are running. Once I get 5 people I'll update this thread. In response, I'll provide you some information + the set up executable that you can install.

Source code for the first release will be provided after this testing stage (so those hanging out for the source will have to wait a little longer, sorry redface.gif)

TwoCables, you're a sixth tester auto included seeing as it was at your request that this came to be.
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Aw, thank you tompsonn! :wubsmiley

 

I will try this in both Windows 7 x64 Home Premium and Windows 8.1 x64 Enterprise Edition (90-Day Evaluation edition).

 

Hey tompson and hey OCN: have I told you lately that I love you? Bro-hugs all around. Of course, I give females a different kind of hug, but that's all I will say about that.


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Aw, thank you tompsonn! wubsmiley.gif

I will try this in both Windows 7 x64 Home Premium and Windows 8.1 x64 Enterprise Edition (90-Day Evaluation edition).

Just let me write up the rubbish that needs to go along with this lol and I'll send you a PM.
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Just let me write up the rubbish that needs to go along with this lol and I'll send you a PM.

 

Oh man, thank you. I don't know if I will ever feel that I have thanked you adequately.

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i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
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Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
AudioAudio
X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
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