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This is the bleak picture of 970 motherboards from Asrock. A quick overview, since i 've looked at all of them. Well, the entire AM3+ is bleak.



The ENTIRE 970 series (5 motherboards), are 4+1. Out of these, 2 have no heatsink. Out of the 990s, one is 4+1 phase. Out of them, none is really comfortable with 83xx at stock voltage. If we go the mATX section, they are a mix of 3 and 4 phase. THere are only 4 top motherboards over there are are "comfortable" with the CPUs in their support list. The rest are worrisome.

Let's go MSI:



Only 3 motherboards aren't dangerous for "reputation". The rest of them are in the same boat with the ASrock company.

If AMD is worried for reputation, it's time to do seppuku, because these 2 are full of cheapos and even worse, the biggest number of cheapos, are the mATX... It wasn't supposed to be that way, was it...

The entire 760g and 970 lines are of dubious quality, except for the MSI 970 Gaming, which i personally wouldn't buy due to Nikos, but for moderate overclocking it should hold. The rest is more or less "bring me wine to drink, i want to forget" at stock voltages (here in the forum we 've had at least 2 episodes of G46 throttling at stock with 6300).

Things don't get much better if one goes and sees various FM1/FM2/FM2+, where the crap is abundant again, for supposedly 100W TDP (actually a bit higher than a 95W AM3+ mATX).

If anything, the first to be really worried about reputation is MSI and ASrock... Because when those things will burn, they will have to RMA and customer will remember them. Loads of marginal motherboards. Doesn't matter what chipset you give, these 2 will fill their inventory with the cheapest they can.
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I think you guys are over thinking things.

1) the majority of the population doesn't OC, hence 4+1 VRMs on non-enthusiast boards

2) go to newegg and go to the intel motherboard section. look at ATX motherboard review #s vs mATX motherboard review #s. For the most part, they're at least 3x higher.

3) A 6 core Intel takes $200+ to buy a decent mATX motherboard for OCing. If you're going to spend $200+ on a motherboard, you're probably going Intel because budget isn't an issue.

if I was a mobo manufacturer, I'd make only ATX boards too. If I did make an mATX mobo, it'd appeal to the people most likely to buy it - people who are replacing a dead HP/Compaq/Dell motherboard and need mATX.
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Quick update, finally replaced the mosfet heatsink with the enzotech, had to order a different model, MST-88 as i was off by 10mm on my initial measurements. 10c drop in VRM temps with the new cooler, but the mosfets are visibly damaged when I removed the previous heatsink, several of them show signs of bubbling and look like they are getting ready to pop. Looks like this board doesnt have much life left in it. Forgot to snap a few pictures of the damage as I was awestruck when I took the old heatsink off.


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Shame... Yes, chips when burnt but still semi-functional can present a sort of "goo" on the surface. I once had an FDD drive die like that. The mosfets aren't good to use anymore, they can fry the CPU. That's the thermal pad? Looks like almost...rubbery and thicker than what i 'd expect. Usually thicker pads are worse for thermals.
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Yeh thats the old thermal pad, the enzotech comes with a pad as well, but presumably much better quality. "Fujipoly GR-d Thermal Tape" as listed on the site. Looks like ill be investing in a Rev 5.0 board soon.
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Yeh thats the old thermal pad, the enzotech comes with a pad as well, but presumably much better quality. "Fujipoly GR-d Thermal Tape" as listed on the site. Looks like ill be investing in a Rev 5.0 board soon.

I only know Fuji, the japanese company that used to make photographic films, maybe they are the same? Should be good if it's the same. At least now you know where the problem was. That's one ugly thermal pad...
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http://www.fujipoly.com/usa/products/sarcon-thermal-management-components/thermal-gap-filler-pads/standard-performance-gap-filler-pads/gr-d.html


Yeh im not even sure that the stock thermal tape even has any thermally conductive properties. lol Feels more like a rubberband then anything.
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http://www.fujipoly.com/usa/products/sarcon-thermal-management-components/thermal-gap-filler-pads/standard-performance-gap-filler-pads/gr-d.html


Yeh im not even sure that the stock thermal tape even has any thermally conductive properties. lol Feels more like a rubberband then anything.

I don't know. I 've never applied a pad myself. Honestly, i don't like them. If it was my board, i 'd use my trusty Ceramique 2. It's nice and thick, so it won't run easily and on doubt, you can put a little more to make sure the distance mosfet-heatsink will be fully covered and avoid the pad altogether. Ceramique is also a bit sticky, which is actually good for such cases and with 8 years guaranteed life, it will outlast any pad in efficient thermal transfer.
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Yeh im not even sure that the stock thermal tape even has any thermally conductive properties. lol Feels more like a rubberband then anything.
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