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Also, does anyone know if a linux/unix OS exists thats outside out all this silly stuff?

Linux From Scratch seems to be the closest to meeting that criteria.
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Privacy is one of the costs to having a single internet which everyone is connected to...

Not surprised about this, that the government would want to have control over peoples' computers.
     
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Do you take a dump with the bathroom door open? I mean, obviously nobody wants to watch you take a dump right? So there must be no reason to want to take a dump with the door closed?
My entire household takes a dump with the bathroom door open. Men, women, even children. Nobody cares.

That said, I support internet privacy to an extreme. In my house, we get to choose whether or not the door is open when we take a dump. We do not get said privacy choice concerning the Internet. It is be monitored or unplug.
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Someone said : Those willing to give up liberty for security deserve niether and will lose both. IDK how to explain it any more clear than that.
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Do you take a dump with the bathroom door open? I mean, obviously nobody wants to watch you take a dump right? So there must be no reason to want to take a dump with the door closed?

Guys I want my security just as bad as the next guy, don't get me wrong on that!

But in the big perspective, I just think there are 'bigger fish to fry' other than us home users for the NSA.
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Guys I want my security just as bad as the next guy, don't get me wrong on that!

But in the big perspective, I just think there are 'bigger fish to fry' other than us home users for the NSA.

That's not how it works. Their job is National Security. Therefore since the Patriot Act they've been given the ability to gather data on citizens and illegals by ANY means necessary. There have been MANY non security related events that were shut down or muffled in the name of 'National Security'. The NSA can and DOES packet sniff every bit of data traveling through the internet.

If you want to adopt the, 'I'm not doing anything wrong' attitude, then you would also be the type to allow a police officer or agent to have direct access to all of your phone calls, which they basically already do have, and to pat you down when you leave your house or enter any public building.

Noone is perfect. Even an errant joke can get you on a No-Fly list in no time. There are 5 year old kids on the No-Fly list...

The fact is, it has gone too far. And that is only judging by the information that has been leaked. You can only imagine what goes on behind closed doors. Many of us have different limits on personal freedoms we are willing to give up, but the reality of the matter is, that almost everyone that I've talked to that is reasonable admits that things are coming to a breaking point.


The fact that police will be employing license plate readers, drug detection devices in every cruiser, facial recognition at the Federal level, and MAC address mapping and tracking should go to show that it isn't being tamed at all. The amount of information available to agencies like the NSA via the increasing complexity of technology and the ever presence of it in the hands of civilians means that oversight is absolutely mandatory for a non oppressed society.



In the end, the best thing you can do right now is to use the heaviest encryption possible. Do your research on encryption tech and use a heavy algorithm for your VPN and browsing. I don't care if I'm reading Martha Stewart recipes, there is no reason for me to be observed without probable cause.
    
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You can't really have any assurance that your software is free from back doors. Even something as basic as Linux from Scratch still relies on hundreds of different programs written by other people.

You'd have to write every line of code yourself to be sure and even then, unless your a perfect coder with knowledge of all knowable exploit vectors, you could still have "back doors" in your software.

This is why I find it crazy that any critical system should be computer controllable from the Internet at all.
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That's not how it works. Their job is National Security. Therefore since the Patriot Act they've been given the ability to gather data on citizens and illegals by ANY means necessary. There have been MANY non security related events that were shut down or muffled in the name of 'National Security'. The NSA can and DOES packet sniff every bit of data traveling through the internet.

If you want to adopt the, 'I'm not doing anything wrong' attitude, then you would also be the type to allow a police officer or agent to have direct access to all of your phone calls, which they basically already do have, and to pat you down when you leave your house or enter any public building.

Noone is perfect. Even an errant joke can get you on a No-Fly list in no time. There are 5 year old kids on the No-Fly list...

The fact is, it has gone too far. And that is only judging by the information that has been leaked. You can only imagine what goes on behind closed doors. Many of us have different limits on personal freedoms we are willing to give up, but the reality of the matter is, that almost everyone that I've talked to that is reasonable admits that things are coming to a breaking point.


The fact that police will be employing license plate readers, drug detection devices in every cruiser, facial recognition at the Federal level, and MAC address mapping and tracking should go to show that it isn't being tamed at all. The amount of information available to agencies like the NSA via the increasing complexity of technology and the ever presence of it in the hands of civilians means that oversight is absolutely mandatory for a non oppressed society.

In the end, the best thing you can do right now is to use the heaviest encryption possible. Do your research on encryption tech and use a heavy algorithm for your VPN and browsing. I don't care if I'm reading Martha Stewart recipes, there is no reason for me to be observed without probable cause.


HighTemplar, I thank you for your input/opinion and quite frankly I 100% agree with you. This is a pretty great post. Your 'Security Sleuth' title definitely fits the description smile.gif

It's something that I definitely need to learn more about in the I.T. business world.
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I hope Arch Linux wasn't compromised.
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The fact that police will be employing license plate readers, drug detection devices in every cruiser, facial recognition at the Federal level, and MAC address mapping and tracking should go to show that it isn't being tamed at all. The amount of information available to agencies like the NSA via the increasing complexity of technology and the ever presence of it in the hands of civilians means that oversight is absolutely mandatory for a non oppressed society.

I don't think you realize how our justice system works. Moreover, our society is not oppressed and the right to "privacy" (which, by the way, not even our Bill of Rights protects as "privacy" is too loose of a term) is no mandatory to a non-oppressed society. Moreover, NSA spying is hard to define as a search. The most important data is not publicly available, however, the Government does know your social security number, your address, your phone number, and everything else that can be attributed to your person. These records are kept track off, filed, and always ready to be accessed in case of an emergency. What NSA is doing is un-intrusive. Is it questionable? Yes. Is it un-constitutional? Possibly. I have an issue though, when posters like you come to the Forum as know-it-all source of "unbiased" information to read your agenda to the rest of us. Oftentimes there's mis-information present which does favors to no one.
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In the end, the best thing you can do right now is to use the heaviest encryption possible. Do your research on encryption tech and use a heavy algorithm for your VPN and browsing. I don't care if I'm reading Martha Stewart recipes, there is no reason for me to be observed without probable cause.

In the end, it's best to follow laws. You have little to fear if you haven't broken the law. Is there a possibility you might be targeted for no apparent reason? Of course. And regardless of what legislation is in place, or not in place, that'll always be the case. Abuse of power has always existed, and likely always will.

On that note, I'm going to have to admit that you did post a lot of factual evidence, raised valid concerns, even if it is colored by your ultra right-wing bias.
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Not sure this is really news, considering the NSA has firmware level back doors on products we buy. It is nothing for them to have it on software....
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lol.. so what's secure?

Nothing, to be honest.

The most secure way of communicating across a distance I can think of is sending a hand written letter, wrapped in foil to prevent electronic scanning of what is inside the envelope. Then the sender just hoping it isn't "lost" in the mail.
    
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