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The wrong and dumbest attitude towards this possible.

he is paid. we have already seen this type of response across quite a few of his posts on these topics. He even defended as a normal behaviour taking a dump with the door fully wide open in public.. kookoo.gif
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Someone said : Those willing to give up liberty for security deserve niether and will lose both. IDK how to explain it any more clear than that.

The questionthen becomes, does liberty even exist anymore and are we just naive to think that it does?
    
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I've never once considered anything I've done online private...all the way back to the year 1999 when I first started doing things on the Internet. SSL or not...Linux with 46 character root password and behind seven proxies or not...the wires and equipment are not in my control so they are public. It would be like worrying about privacy while walking down a public sidewalk.

...and it's never once bothered me either. I am quite sure no one cares about the goings on in my life save for the people wanting to show me advertisements. Which I've found that to be a funny topic lately. Facebook and Google and other Internet companies have been telling the government to back off their data collection and spying, but they actually make money on collecting our personal data and selling it. headscratch.gif
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Someone said : Those willing to give up liberty for security deserve niether and will lose both. IDK how to explain it any more clear than that.

The questionthen becomes, does liberty even exist anymore and are we just naive to think that it does?

I think the question is do we value security enough. I have a feeling no one that keeps vomiting out the Ben Franklin quote has ever had their safety and security in jeopardy. If we were in danger of suicide bombers popping off daily I would trade any amount of liberty to keep my children safe. If that means i don't deserve liberty then so be it. It will do me no good when my family or myself is dead anyway. That is what the Government is trying to do with this data...just protect citizens and the country...probably more so the country, but still. They aren't collecting this data for fun. Sure, I can see them using it to single out some people that are exercising their rights and it going to a more totalitarian government that not many people could speak out against...but I think it is unlikely. The US Government cares too much about it's reputation and if it can't hide the dirty laundry...it will do the wash and stop the actions.

When old BF made that statement...the world was a very different place. He was talking about not letting the federal government have too much power over the states so people didn't basically have to keep bowing to a monarch. Personal security and safety had nothing to do with anything he said.
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he is paid. we have already seen this type of response across quite a few of his posts on these topics. He even defended as a normal behaviour taking a dump with the door fully wide open in public.. kookoo.gif

I didn't defend anything..I gave it a name
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I'd just like to point out a bit of idiocy I'm seeing repeated more and more often. It's the new version of "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide." Since people have gotten schooled on the imbecility of that statement so many times, they've shifted to a new permutation:

"Your life isn't interesting enough for the NSA to care about. You're just a boring dude. The government doesn't care what porn you watch or what video games you play."

If you say this, you're an idiot.

Hey, maybe you're a boring person who never uses the internet for anything but email and OCN. Maybe you never travel internationally, maybe all you friends are white people from English-speaking countries. Maybe you're a whitebread, apple pie-eating, patriotic dullard who's never had a controversial thought or idea. Maybe your data will never get more than a cursory scan from an NSA algorithm.

Guess what? Real life's more complicated than that. Everyone's got secrets. And given the global reach of the internet, odds are you're within a couple degrees of separation of some shady folks. The issue with the NSA is not simply the fact that your data can be searched; the problem is that your data can be searched at will for any reason. The NSA's algorithms that detect patterns are classified. We don't know what will raise a red flag; but we do know that if a red flag is raised, your stuff is being opened, and being perused by an analyst. Maybe you're safe. Maybe red flags only get raised on people with Arab sounding names, or brown people in general. Maybe you have to have visited the middle east. Or maybe you just have to have strongly disapproved of an action the US government took. Or maybe you just have to speak vehemently against the NSA itself. We don't know. The NSA is using algorithms that have not been audited or validated by a third party, and the rate at which they might generate false positives is unknown.



The issue also is that while the NSA was given these powers for the purpose of finding terrorists, the problem is that terrorism does not mean what it meant 15 years ago. Terrorism used to mean strictly a method of violent attack on a populace in order to coerce a government into giving into demands. After 9/11, terrorism became defined as any violent opposition that the US does not support, against an existing nation. Now, even people like Julian Assange are being labeled as terrorists, where even publishing damning evidence of government misdeeds is "terrorism".

The NSA is an agency under command of the Executive branch of the US government, which means ultimately that their mandate and mission is defined by the POTUS. And since there is no effective congressional oversight at all, that means that the President can make any decision he likes regarding the NSA's mission and targets. Now, maybe you think that sounds alarmist or conspiracist. But I just said it on paragraph before; our current administration has targeted government whistleblowers as "terrorists" and I can assure you that Assange, Snowden, and other whistleblowers are under full NSA surveillance, to the best of that organization's capabilities. An organization which was originally meant to furnish information to the FBI, CIA, etc. to prevent terrorist attacks, thwart foreign espionage, and spy on enemy states.




My problem is not with the NSA's existence. My problem is with the vast overreach in power; the lack of any congressional oversight; the mission drift from targeting Russia, China, and Iran, to targeting whistleblowers and journalists.

While individuals in government can be fine, as a whole I trust the government only insofar as the built-in apathy, incompetence, and inefficiency interferes with the all-too-common malicious intent directed against portions of the American citizenry. Like it or not, that inefficiency is the reason Congress and bureaucracy exist, to prevent illegal and malicious actions from being efficiently enforced. But the NSA has been stripped of all of those limitations, and is pursuing its unconstitutional, human-rights violating mission with military efficiency, and you sods are sucking your thumbs and saying you don't mind if the government knows what porn you watch.
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so much for the "MS is in NSA's back pocket, I'll just smugly take refuge in my precious linux"
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I know it does not matter. But I have to point out one little point. He does not actually say that anything is actually built by the NSA. He says that security of open source software is completely worth the risks of governments trying to put backdoors into the system.

He said that given the total number of packages that make up any given os, including windows, ios, and linux, it would not be hard for any government to compromise one package to gain access to that system.

Just like it would not be hard for the NSA to intercept your windows os during an update an inject a backdoor.

The article completely miss characterizes what Assange says. Then takes a russian quote that was never in the video to begin with to advance the authors personal beliefs.

So bottomline,

Assange said that no os can be really safe.

That given the overwhelming amount of data and information that goes into any given os, there is simply not enough security experts in the world to verify that all of it is 100% for the user.

He also said that open source is the way better then any other os, because it does allow everyone to read the code, but that it is way to easy to corrupt one dependency on any given os and own the whole system.

For the people that need it in bullet points.

1.) Open source, like linux, good.
2.) Closed source, like windows and mac, bad.
3.) Not enough people staring at the code, bad.
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so much for the "MS is in NSA's back pocket, I'll just smugly take refuge in my precious linux"

if I was that paranoid I'd be using openBSD right now.
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don't worry everyone. none of you are important.

noone wants to see your video game collection

The New Digital Age actually had some quite interesting points about our privacy and why it's important even though you're nobody today. If someone has complete access to your history on the web and you've made one wrong step, e.g. downloaded that song in 2004, you could be in ton of problem.

This truly is my only real concern...the NSA isn't going to care about much of anything any one does for the most part, but who else will get access to the data? How secure will it be? If it got hacked and it wasn't encrypted very well...a hacker could get a lot of personal info on people in one haul. Is it going be open to every law enforcement agency? Can courts subpoena the data? Will it be sold to help fund some government program? This data should be collected for one thing and one thing only. Protecting the US and the people living in it...and we would have to be stupid to expect them not to use it to protect the government itself as well (I don't think I agree with that, but it is what it is and on some level relates to protecting the country and the people in it...just not on all levels).

I have no problem with the NSA capturing all my Internet activity. I just want to know the process they are doing to keep it secure and out of the hands of other people that have no business to have the data.
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Would be nice if there actually was something that was immune to these internet terrorists.mad.gif
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